The Wrestling Thread: 1...2...Only 2!

[Punk]

WWE has problems but it has nothing to do with it being PG. I have yet to see one person make a convincing argument as to how WWE would be SO much better with the addition of profanity and sex jokes. If you honestly think those elements are what constitutes entertainment then you're just as childish as WWE's current target audience.

The real problems with WWE are the blandness of the product which has nothing to do with it being PG but rather that the shows are written by a bunch of Hollywood writers with no idea as to what makes pro-wrestling work, nor any interest in it. The writers have no respect for pro-wrestling, this is just a paycheck for them until someone buys one of their shitty screenplays and they get a "real" job in Hollywood.

The handling of blood also has nothing to do with the show being PG. Several states' athletic health commissions have been cracking down on WWE for years now. In some states it's actually illegal for wrestlers to blade now. Or even continue to perform while bleeding. The only reason indie feds including TNA (which is a glorified indie fed, they're just backed by money marks like Panda Energy.) because they're such small fries they get under the health commissions' radars.

The banning of impact moves on the head such as piledrivers and most versions of the DDT, was set in place well before WWE ever went PG. And this was done to help prevent the string of serious neck injuries that several performers most notably Stone Cold were suffering due to these types of moves. Also the banning of unprotected chairshots to the head was to prevent concussions and had nothing to do with the tv rating. The more dangerous high-flying moves were banned due to safety issues which was proven when they started making exceptions for the select few that proved that could hit those moves correctly and not endanger the receipient of move. Such as Evan Bourne & Justin Gabriel. None of this had anything to do with the PG rating.

Shitty Divas matches have nothing to do with the PG rating. It's because they hire women based on looks instead of talent. This is a result of most people's attitudes towards women's wrestling to begin with as the average male fan doesn't respect women as athletes anyway and just wants to look at some tits and ass.

I could go on all day. But the short version is this. WWE has a lot of problems and it's definitely okay to criticize the hell out of them for it. But for the love of God, point out what is actually wrong with product. Because it's only by figuring what the real problem is instead of just going for the easy scapegoat, can anyone even begin to figure out what the real solution will be. This is true for just about everything.

I agree and all but the PG demographic holds back what they can do and write.

Even if the hollywood writers are to blame, Vince McMahon is the one who makes sure everything is written properly. He has to see the work before it goes on air which means he is okay with the poor writing and everything else.

 

[Wheatley]

To be honest, I thought WWE started getting crappy long before it became PG. PG is just the icing on the cake. WWF was awesome in the 80's and 90's and early WWE was pretty good. It started getting boring around 2005 and 2006 (though they had their moments). Then it became complete **** in 2007 with stupid **** like the K-Fed and John Cena feud, Donald Trump and Vince McMahon, Vince winning the ECW title, Vince's "death" in his limo, and Hornswoggle as the illegitimate son. Then WWE in 2008 brought us Santina as well as the boring Vickie Guerrero/Edge storyline and 2009 brought us the guest hosts and other dumb ideas.

It's stupid **** like this that made me hate modern day WWE.

Oh and of course there's John Cena trying to be the next Hulk Hogan.

 

[Sentinel King]

Velvet Sky's entrance at TNA's live event in Pennsylvania

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Enjoy.

 

[Sentai Rider 1983]

Could you guys quit bad mouthing WWE so damn much??? All I'm reading is how it sucks this & sucks that. They have a lot of great things and I don't see a lot of it being talked about it. Like the Divas and when a wrestler with a seriously over inflated ego gets their ass handed to them.

 

[big_j_ny]

To be honest, I thought WWE started getting crappy long before it became PG. PG is just the icing on the cake. WWF was awesome in the 80's and 90's and early WWE was pretty good. It started getting boring around 2005 and 2006 (though they had their moments). Then it became complete **** in 2007 with stupid **** like the K-Fed and John Cena feud, Donald Trump and Vince McMahon, Vince winning the ECW title, Vince's "death" in his limo, and Hornswoggle as the illegitimate son. Then WWE in 2008 brought us Santina as well as the boring Vickie Guerrero/Edge storyline and 2009 brought us the guest hosts and other dumb ideas.

It's stupid **** like this that made me hate modern day WWE.

Oh and of course there's John Cena trying to be the next Hulk Hogan.

Yeah, I failed to mention the "pre-PG" days of the WWE's TERRIBAD era. To be honest, WWE's decline began during the middle of the WCW/ECW Invasion story arc.

Granted, I actually liked the entire WCW/ECW Invasion storyline despite some of the crap that the WWE writers did to the WCW/ECW guys to make the WWE look better.

Then of course bringing back ECW as a brand itself had "disaster" written all over it. It was a matter of time before the WWE fucked that up.

But in all honesty, 2010 seems to be a HUGE LOW in ENTERTAINING VALUE for the WWE.......and it really is due to the PG rating at this point. The PG rating barely had any effect on the entertainment quality of the shows/matches during 2009 and 2008, which was the year the WWE first started to use that rating.

I mean, the writing for the WWE has been consistently bad since before PG, which I can understand Jedah's point completely and I agree with him there. But now in 2010.......it's not even entertaining either. Professional Wrestling is suppose to be SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT for crying out loud. I understand that some people watching professional wrestling for the "wrestling" part, but a lot of the most casual viewers watch it for ENTERTAINMENT. It's not even that anymore.

With that being said, I don't think TNA is any better even though they still have the "TV 14 freedom" to do whatever the hell they want. TNA got the same issues that the old WCW was dealing with when it began to decline, and I'm not just talking about "taking establish WWF stars" and pushing them into the spotlight........it is more than just that.

Since Bischoff joined TNA (could careless about the Hogan factor, it is more Bischoff), he's been basically recycling some of the same junk from the old WCW and seeing if he can do it all over again to counterattack the WWE. Like the small little segments where he takes jabs @ Vince McMahon (although it is more subliminal than the direct attacks he use to give back in WCW), bringing back "The Band" aka nWo minus Hogan, The Fortune **** which is basically The Four Horseman all over again (WWE did it too with that Evolution ****, but that was more Triple H-oriented than Flair).

 

[Wheatley]

Yeah, I failed to mention the "pre-PG" days of the WWE's TERRIBAD era. To be honest, WWE's decline began during the middle of the WCW/ECW Invasion story arc.

Granted, I actually liked the entire WCW/ECW Invasion storyline despite some of the crap that the WWE writers did to the WCW/ECW guys to make the WWE look better.

Yeah I thought the Alliance storyline could've been better if they didn't put "fill in the blanks with WWF stars", but it was still fun to watch. They said the reason why most of the WCW wrestlers weren't signed with the WWF was because they were under contract with Time Warner, but I think those contracts should've been null and void because WWF already had no competition and where exactly were the wrestlers gonna go with those contracts? Goldberg, Scott Steiner, and the nWo should've been with the WWF during the Alliance angle.

Then they had the nWo angle in 2002 and pretty much went nowhere. I did like the beginning of it though up until Hogan was kicked out of it.

Then of course bringing back ECW as a brand itself had "disaster" written all over it. It was a matter of time before the WWE fucked that up.

This I definitely agree. After ECW One Night Stand 2005 and 2006, I could not wait for ECW to come back, especially since WWE was losing its luster at the time. ECW on Sci-Fi got off to an OK start, but after Paul Heyman left and they dailed down the number of "Extreme Rules" matches even more, I gave up on it. It just isn't Extreme Championship Wrestling without hardcore matches.

But it wasn't completely bad though. I thought it had some good wrestlers like Christian and Kofi Kingston.

But in all honesty, 2010 seems to be a HUGE LOW in ENTERTAINING VALUE for the WWE.......and it really is due to the PG rating at this point. The PG rating barely had any effect on the entertainment quality of the shows/matches during 2009 and 2008, which was the year the WWE first started to use that rating.

I mean, the writing for the WWE has been consistently bad since before PG, which I can understand Jedah's point completely and I agree with him there. But now in 2010.......it's not even entertaining either. Professional Wrestling is suppose to be SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT for crying out loud. I understand that some people watching professional wrestling for the "wrestling" part, but a lot of the most casual viewers watch it for ENTERTAINMENT. It's not even that anymore.

I definitely agree here. It's World Wrestling Entertainment, yet the 'E' is a very loose term in this case. Even if I watched it only for the wrestling, the bad storylines would still be irritating. If I wanted to watch wrestling for JUST wrestling, I'd watch either Lucha Libre from Mexico or Puroresu from Japan.

With that being said, I don't think TNA is any better even though they still have the "TV 14 freedom" to do whatever the hell they want. TNA got the same issues that the old WCW was dealing with when it began to decline, and I'm not just talking about "taking establish WWF stars" and pushing them into the spotlight........it is more than just that.

Since Bischoff joined TNA (could careless about the Hogan factor, it is more Bischoff), he's been basically recycling some of the same junk from the old WCW and seeing if he can do it all over again to counterattack the WWE. Like the small little segments where he takes jabs @ Vince McMahon (although it is more subliminal than the direct attacks he use to give back in WCW), bringing back "The Band" aka nWo minus Hogan, The Fortune **** which is basically The Four Horseman all over again (WWE did it too with that Evolution ****, but that was more Triple H-oriented than Flair).

Eh. I gave up on TNA after they flopped with the 2nd Monday Night War, but the Knockouts and Tag Team Divisions are pretty awesome.

 

[mmartina]

GREAT promo from Chris Jericho to bad that won't be on the DVD.

That was a Great Punt from Randy Orton, hopefully when Chris returns it will be Randy Orton vs. Chris Jericho at a top PPV like WrestleMania.

 

[Punk]

Could you guys quit bad mouthing WWE so damn much??? All I'm reading is how it sucks this & sucks that. They have a lot of great things and I don't see a lot of it being talked about it. Like the Divas and when a wrestler with a seriously over inflated ego gets their ass handed to them.

.....You are being sarcastic right....?

With that being said, I don't think TNA is any better even though they still have the "TV 14 freedom" to do whatever the hell they want. TNA got the same issues that the old WCW was dealing with when it began to decline, and I'm not just talking about "taking establish WWF stars" and pushing them into the spotlight........it is more than just that.

Since Bischoff joined TNA (could careless about the Hogan factor, it is more Bischoff), he's been basically recycling some of the same junk from the old WCW and seeing if he can do it all over again to counterattack the WWE. Like the small little segments where he takes jabs @ Vince McMahon (although it is more subliminal than the direct attacks he use to give back in WCW), bringing back "The Band" aka nWo minus Hogan, The Fortune **** which is basically The Four Horseman all over again (WWE did it too with that Evolution ****, but that was more Triple H-oriented than Flair).

I agree but you haven't been watching recently have you?

 

[big_j_ny]

I agree but you haven't been watching recently have you?

I have actually considering the borefest of the past 2 RAWs (and Smackdowns, altho I've rarely watched Smackdown since it's been down graded to a "mid-carder league"), just to spice up my interesting in the pro wrestling deal again.

The 10.10.10 is interesting, but it could also blow up in its face if that plot angle becomes predictable. EV2.0 is ok.........but it seems to be merely a shadow of the former ECW itself, those guys just don't look the same now. The only thing I can agree right now with Allie is that the Tag Team division is certainly better with TNA, even though I miss seeing Team 3D and the VKM aka New Age Outlaws on there. As for the whole World Title deal, there are way too many babyface characters competing in the main event for the TNA Title......I hope someone turns heel out of that triple threat match or it'll just too much overkill of babyface love-fest everywhere.

TNA is.......OK, but it'll take awhile before it convinces me that it is getting better. Bischoff is still doing his bullshit subliminal attack antics like he always does, and there is still a "WCW-feel" too it........which is not a good vibe to have IMO.

 

[Forever Knight]

It's funny how internet fans think Vince doing PG was the greatest thing ever and he came up with it on his own. :laugh:

Did the internet forget that WWF was aimed at kiddies in the 80's and early '90s aswell?.

who are your top 10 big guys

Joe, Vader, Awesome, Warrior, Umaga, Yokozuna, Andre (70s), Davey Boy Smith, Beth Phoenix, Chyna.