Kamen Rider: Blade - Talk up!

Aoi Kurenai

Mad Skillz
The Undead just seem to me like they're trying to be the Grongi, the Unknown, and even the Orphnoch and Mirror Monsters in some instances, all at once - Both story/character-wise and design-wise. They just don't seem very original/interesting to me. The Worm were kinda like that themselves, perhaps to a lesser extent, I don't know.

I'm only up to episode 13 though, so maybe to Undead could grow on me. I'm just not interested at the moment.
This is what I thought was Blade's main problem, when it's good, it's oh so very good, it just took it a long time to get there. Once Leangle shows up, things start moving a little faster, though not entirely because of Leangle, that's just the stage in the series I thought showed change a lot.

Now, I see the Undead differently. True, they're somewhat of an amalgamation of previous villains, but a lot of them felt very human. It's not like the Orphnochs were they were humans at first and knew how to act as a human. The Undead learned, they began experiencing human emotions and learned how to convey them, even make sacrifices for them. I love seeing that sort of evolution in a series, especially from the enemies. Blade is one of those series that makes me think about what really makes a good protagonist and set of antagonist, what gives the riders the right to be the arbiters of whether or not the Undead should stick around. You have the riders fighting for humans and their right to live on earth, but on the flip side (sort of), you have the Undead doing the exact same thing.

Sort of reminds me of an old saying I used to hear "In war, you kill your enemies, but every time you do that, you've taken away someone's father, husband or son". It shows that the world can be a cruel place at times and be summed up as "survival of the fittest".

As you can see, I think of Blade as one of the more philosophical series in the franchise with what is easily the best set of villains in my opinion. It has just the right mix of ambiguousness and existentialist subject matter that so many other series try to shoot for but fail at. Though, being primarily targeted at children nowadays, it's sometimes hard to see this, but hey, it's fun to think about.
 
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xin

Member
that's why ...i wan a Leangle Jack form and a Garren King form .. hehe ...i wish their Hyper Battle Video would have this but seems i am wrong .

but watching Blade makes u wanna play Poker - Royal Straight Flush !!! :p
 

Ladymercury

the baddest *****
<-- Grrr, Garren mad.

I began watching Blade 2 weeks ago and yet I'm still only like on ep 4 or 5. I need to pick up the pace.
 

Faded.Memories

Im not straight but my boyfriend is
I think of your avatar every time I watch blade. You know...the whole 4 episodes I've watched so far LOL.

Lucky for me I have only seen Kabuto, so I dont notice similarities between the Undead and the Mirror Monsters or the Orphanochs.

\o/
 

Igadevil

Mr. Kamen Rider
You can quote me on this: I think the Undead are the best Rider villains in a while.

While at first it did feel like a rehash of previous ideas (Another ancient race that vanished thousands and thousands of years ago? Another "undead" enemy right after the Orphies?) after a few episodes, I realized that the Undead are really more like the culmination of all the good ideas used up to that point. They took what worked about the Grongi, Unknown, Mirror Monsters, and Orphenochs, threw them all in a blender, and added some classic Shocker magic. Chill, and serve.

It was a stroke of genius to limit the number of possible monsters that could appear, so it made every one feel more unique, especially after Faiz which has some many monsters that suffered from the "Jumping out of the bushes" syndrome. Add in the fact that [HIDE]we never even see them all in the series[/HIDE]and I think that, for the most part, every Undead that appeared sticks out as a memorable character (or at least punching bag), whereas in some other series, the monsters of the week lose their speciality when a billion versions of them pop up after a while.

It also really helps that the designer is a huge fan of the old Riders, so many of the monsters have throwbacks in their designs (one even has the Shocker logo on his armband.) Your mileage may vary, but the Undead, for me, are some of the best designed Kaijin ever. Especially [HIDE]the Trials[/HIDE], because they are just dripping with references. I seriously recommend getting the "Green Blood" book if you like the Undead designs.

And one more thing that really helped:

[HIDE]Isaka. Isaka is what more Kamen Rider villains need to be like in the 2000's. He takes all the best attributes of the classic Rider villains but has that more subversive aspect to him where he could walk around in broad daylight like it was no big deal. The fact that he had an actual structured plan and semi-organization really helped too. It's a cool idea that needs to get used more.

The high-level Undead in general were cool, because they allowed for the old "human villains" idea to be in there, but make it a little more special in that only certain Undead could be human, and they had special little touches about them that really made them seem stronger than the low-level guys. Sure, some of them were around for like, 2 episodes, but it was still a neat touch.[/HIDE]
 
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MattComix

Super Moderator
You can quote me on this: I think the Undead are the best Rider villains in a while.

While at first it did feel like a rehash of previous ideas (Another ancient race that vanished thousands and thousands of years ago? Another "undead" enemy right after the Orphies?) after a few episodes, I realized that the Undead are really more like the culmination of all the good ideas used up to that point. They took what worked about the Grongi, Unknown, Mirror Monsters, and Orphenochs, threw them all in a blender, and added some classic Shocker magic. Chill, and serve.

It was a stroke of genius to limit the number of possible monsters that could appear, so it made every one feel more unique, especially after Faiz which has some many monsters that suffered from the "Jumping out of the bushes" syndrome. Add in the fact that [HIDE]we never even see them all in the series[/HIDE]and I think that, for the most part, every Undead that appeared sticks out as a memorable character (or at least punching bag), whereas in some other series, the monsters of the week lose their speciality when a billion versions of them pop up after a while.

It also really helps that the designer is a huge fan of the old Riders, so many of the monsters have throwbacks in their designs (one even has the Shocker logo on his armband.) Your mileage may vary, but the Undead, for me, are some of the best designed Kaijin ever. Especially [HIDE]the Trials[/HIDE], because they are just dripping with references. I seriously recommend getting the "Green Blood" book if you like the Undead designs.

And one more thing that really helped:

[HIDE]Isaka. Isaka is what more Kamen Rider villains need to be like in the 2000's. He takes all the best attributes of the classic Rider villains but has that more subversive aspect to him where he could walk around in broad daylight like it was no big deal. The fact that he had an actual structured plan and semi-organization really helped too. It's a cool idea that needs to get used more.

The high-level Undead in general were cool, because they allowed for the old "human villains" idea to be in there, but make it a little more special in that only certain Undead could be human, and they had special little touches about them that really made them seem stronger than the low-level guys. Sure, some of them were around for like, 2 episodes, but it was still a neat touch.[/HIDE]


After watcing the whole thing I would agree about the Undead being one of the cooler sets of modern kaijin as well as the attempt to mix the Grongi/Unknown vibe with some Shocker mojo.

Now I actually found myself prefering the Trials designs a bit over the Undead. If there were any way I could talk you into posting Trial pics from that book you mentioned let me know!

The Undead were well designed but they fall short of their intended concept a bit I think. I mean, The Grongi and the Unknown really have that ancient race look to them. The Undead are supposed to be from 50,000 years ago or whatever but they kinda look like they shop at Hot Topic. They're good monster designs of course, just not for ones with ancient race as their backstory.

Since you liked Isaka, what was you opinion of Tenouji? He even had a mad villan laugh almost worthy of Doktor G.
 

Faded.Memories

Im not straight but my boyfriend is
Okay. Now that I've finally finished watching Heroes, I can dedicate more time to Blade.

Although I have to admit, that I have to MAKE myself watch it...not like when I was watching Kabuto and I NEEDED to watch it. I'm hoping it picks up a little more. Spoilers for up to Episode 9

[hide] So now Garren is like, captured by the Undead dude in the leather coat. I dont know what his name is, but they're doing something to him in some big watery tank thing.

And Hajime left Amune and her mom, and Amune is all sad. Awwww. Hajime + Amune = love.

So far I really like Hajime. I don't know why. Also, I think that Kenzaki and milk drinking boy need to like, get it on or something, because they totally look at each other like, "OMG I WANNA KISS YOU."

Buuuut that could also just be me, searching for a new Kageyama!Yaguruma.

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Thrift

Lurker
Okay. Now that I've finally finished watching Heroes, I can dedicate more time to Blade.

Although I have to admit, that I have to MAKE myself watch it...not like when I was watching Kabuto and I NEEDED to watch it. I'm hoping it picks up a little more. Spoilers for up to Episode 9

[hide] So now Garren is like, captured by the Undead dude in the leather coat. I dont know what his name is, but they're doing something to him in some big watery tank thing.

And Hajime left Amune and her mom, and Amune is all sad. Awwww. Hajime + Amune = love.

So far I really like Hajime. I don't know why. Also, I think that Kenzaki and milk drinking boy need to like, get it on or something, because they totally look at each other like, "OMG I WANNA KISS YOU."

Buuuut that could also just be me, searching for a new Kageyama!Yaguruma.

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That exactly how I felt when I started to watch Blade but lucky for you ep 8 or 9 is where things start to pick up so get ready for the rider. His name is Isaka by the way, or somthing like that.
 

.desk

Member
ok so i FINALLY finished blade. went through it in like 3/4 days. gotta say... the story would have impacted me a lot of more SPOILER if tachibana, mutsuki and kenzaki all died at the end of the show.

ps sry for bumping.
 

MattComix

Super Moderator
I'm not sure everybody dying at the end would have really helped anything at all.



SPOILERS



[hide]I think not stretching Mutsuki's story out so long and not having started off Tachibana/Garren as afraid for his life, then getting his guts back ony to have him be gullable yet again when the Trial disguised as Shiori's father shows up would have helped alot.

There were times when Tachibana was very cool and others where he's like the kid bullies trick into hunting for snipe in the woods. When the writers were really on with Tacibana I liked him, but it just didn't happen often enough IMO. I think I would have liked to have seen him really starting off as a strong sempai-Rider to Kenzaki/Blade who seeks his only solace from battle with the lady doctor he went to high-school with. Maybe *then* after she is killed they could've done something with him kinda losing his way or getting manipulated. Then the student must save the teacher.

I think they shouldn't have had BOARD headquarters destroyed right off the bat. I think if they had been working with the group longer then the idea that it was corrupt would have more impact to it later on. Basically, this time the Riders escape from the evil orginzation is more about find out you've been decieved and then making a choice rather than escaping brainwashing.


The Trials were more interesting monsters than the Undead but the Undead aren't bad. I think they may have been better in a seperate show with Chalice as the main Rider.

I liked Kenzaki. A totally unapologetically good guy who isn't portrayed as a naieve goon or an ineffective fighter. His backstory is a little under developed and they spend too much time on him as Hajimes unspoken boyfreind. But as Rider protags go I think he is actually one of the better ones. The show should have done more with him. The episode with the girl who doesn't believe in heroes is a particular stand-out for me. She keeps throwing the same cynical crap at him and his every action is proving her wrong even when she doesn't realize it.

I'm of two minds about Hajime/Chalice. One the one hand I don't like him because they played the Rider-is-also-a-monster with seperate power sets thing yet again and the thing with Akane is not awful just overdone. On the other hand I liked the idea of a Rider who has his dark past and secret life of fighting monsters while staying with this kind mother and daughter that acts as his link to humanity and constant reminder of what he is fighting for.

Mutsuki/Leangle. (Anyone else still hear his girlfreind shouting his name incessantly over and over again?) Honestly, I liked the other guy who was Leangle for a single episode better. Mutsuki was always better off in those rare moments where he was portrayed as more or less a normal kid rather than the emo boy who wanted to be teh str0ngest ev@r! However, in context of the show I liked the interplay between him and the Tiger Undead.[/hide]
 
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Astray

Member
I don't get why everyone liked Mutsuki, the guy was emo and made no sense. How the hell did he get a night club when he was living with his parents and trying to avoid getting molested by his girlfriend as she screamed his name over and over for the rest of her life?
 

Aoi Kurenai

Mad Skillz
Guys, if you're going to use spoilers, please use them right:

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Inui Takumi

The Ends JustiΦ's the Means
here is wat i think about Tachibana

[hide]I think the set up the Tachibana story pretty good. He was weak at first cuz he was afraid of bein consumed and ultimately defeated by his power. he was influenced by dude with the shades. then he overcame and saw what he really should be fighting for. if they made him a strong tough guy from the beginning then made him break down in the middle, that would be too obvious. its already been done before. this brings drama from the getgo which i liked. and, if he didnt go through all that, he wouldnt have been able to help Mutsuki overcome the Spider Undead's influence. so i think it all worked out.

this is my second best show, following Faiz, which was just crazy good.[/hide]
 

MattComix

Super Moderator
On a more positive notes (since I probably come off as pretty negative on the board sometimes) there are things I grew to like about Blade. Kenzaki being one of these. I also liked the shows pacing, a real brisk distribution between drama and action that was good for a Rider series. Lots of bike use and stunts which was refreshing. Love the Trials and various nods to all things Rider in the show. Even though I don't like cards gimmicks after the first episode I started to really like the henshin effect and Kenzaki's kata.
 

x1xBladex1x

Member
I fully agree, KAMEN RIDER BLADE is AWEOME!! & I got hooked after watching episode 3 as well. [= & Just like a lot of others that said it on here, I started watching it right after I finished Garo & Garo rocked too!!! But yes, my opinion Blade was the best Kamen Rider Series!! [=
 

.desk

Member
[hide]i would just think that if kenzaki, tachibana, and mutsuki all died at the end of the series, no matter how sad, it would have had greater significance over the theme of the series. unless im misunderstanding the theme. they all put their lives on their line to save hajime becoz they believed in him. 3 men who have lost everything fighting the undead.

tachibana had finally learned his lesson by the end of the series, and his fight with the last category king was just really tragic. when we find out they he dies, i totally flipped out of my seat. that was the kinda reaction i want to get in a toku series, me going WTF I CANT BELIEVE IT! NOOOO! like every other episode. (thats kinda the reason i loved 555).

as for mutsuki... well i just want him dead so his damn girlfriend would shut up lol. (but seriously he is damn lucky to have that kinda girlfriend, and in highschool no less). there were highs and lows in his character development. that whole part about him occupying a nightclub baffled me.

but yeah maybe its just me and my fetish with tragic endings that portray the protagonists at their most vulnerable. sometihng like that.[/hide]
 

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