The HJU Martial Arts Thread

[Faded.Memories]

Zui-quan is truly one of China's greatest novelties. :anime:

Faded, if you haven't already, I command you to watch both Jackie Chan Drunken Master films. The second one (Legend of the Drunken Master in the States) especially is an all-time classic and has some of the most creative drunken boxing choreography ever committed to film.

I'm guessing Zui-quan is chinese for "Drunken Style"? And why is it a novelty? Is it not actually an adequate way of fighting?

I think I've seen bits of the first Legend of the Drunken Master a looong time ago, but I don't remember much of it.

 

[Impulse87]

I'm guessing Zui-quan is chinese for "Drunken Style"? And why is it a novelty? Is it not actually an adequate way of fighting?

I think I've seen bits of the first Legend of the Drunken Master a looong time ago, but I don't remember much of it.

this is the legend of drunken master

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhS0wyS8Fow[/ame]

this is zui quan in real life, note that the drunken boxer wasn't allowed to grapple

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkYF2MfHKzw[/ame]

 

[Bolt]

The grappling in Zui-quan is weak and severely limited anyway. Sorry to any Drunken fans, but the style is basically all for show; it's a parlor trick.

And why is it a novelty? Is it not actually an adequate way of fighting?

No, and here's why: the foundation of the style is based on the movements of a drunkard and are therefore supposed to be elusive and unpredictable. Sounds pretty good so far, right? Well, the problem is that after about five seconds the opponent isn't fooled anymore and you run the risk of getting stomped into a jar if you don't switch to something more straightforward. The balance in Zui-quan is unreliable because a lot of movements are performed on one foot or with a swaying, wobbling motion, which takes you out of your rooted base with the ground and severely limits power generation. That, coupled with the fact that the standard Zui-quan fist is held like you're grasping a tea cup, is why I wonder how it ever sounded like a good idea to begin with. Supposedly the origin story is that a guy used it to trick some drunken sailors and win a fight, but your average mugger isn't quite as confusable as a piss-drunk Chinese sailor, and I doubt the veracity of that story anyway. More than likely it just originated as part of a bigger set of forms, which are known for imitating everyday movements and states. There's a "sleepy Buddha" style in Buddha Palm that also shows up in some Shaolin forms, but I highly doubt anybody fights with "Sleeping style." That's like putting a "kick me" sign on your nosebone.

 

[Faded.Memories]

Haha! That's all so interesting! I still think it looks pretty neat though, and it worked well for the character Jackie played in Forbidden Kingdom who was always drunk.

 

[Tsubasa Dragon]

i did kung fu ones but stopped because my parents couldn't afford paying the lessons .

 

[Bolt]

Haha! That's all so interesting! I still think it looks pretty neat though, and it worked well for the character Jackie played in Forbidden Kingdom who was always drunk.

It definitely looks great, and approached as an art form, it's a priceless piece of the Chinese martial canon. But as form of combat, I wouldn't trust it. Something comparable would be like using Capoeira in a fight, or some techniques of amateur-style wrestling. But yeah, it looks awesome, especially in movies and video games. Brad Wong from Dead or Alive 3 is one of the best users of the style.

 

[Faded.Memories]

Bolt, I want you to:

1. Post a video showing your favourite martial arts style.
2. Has it been a nice day yet? You promised vid footage of YOU doing some martial arts!
3. Post a pic of you shirtless in a martial arts pose.
[HIDE]4. Dump your gf for me.[/HIDE]

 

[Bolt]

Bolt, I want you to:

1. Post a video showing your favourite martial arts style.

I really don't think I can narrow it down to just one, but I'll put up a few and that way you can learn something about several styles! For your enjoy (in no order):

Kyokushin Karate
(This video is a highlight of one particular fighter, but the footage speaks for itself)
[HIDE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0pMyMnXDkQ&feature=channel_page[/HIDE]

Western Boxing
[HIDE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mYNK9Dvd-Q[/HIDE]

Muay Thai
(Classical technique demonstration)
[HIDE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pURBi8ZOu_Q&feature=related

(In the ring)
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRYaF0z4VH0&feature=related[/ame][/HIDE]

Jiu-Jutsu
[HIDE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BXdAKv6iPM[/HIDE]

Shaolin Kung Fu, which you've already seen.

Those are just a few of my favorites, but I have many. They're all unique and special in their own ways. Except Tae Kwon Do. Haha, just kidding. I love arts from all over the spectrum, from arts as purely classical and aesthetic as Yang Tai Chi to 100% violent and combat-oriented Krav Maga.

And here's some badass Drunken Boxing just for you, Faded.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys8FALHopuk[/ame]

As for that other stuff, I promise I will get around to it eventually. It has been raining here since last Wednesday and forecasts predict that it will continue to do so until at least Sunday, but once it dries out and warms back up I will go out and practice like a madman for you.

 

[Lustful Butchery]

Bolt, are there any other forms of martial arts out there that involves dancing movements & moving/rotating your body around? Or would Capoeira be the best choice to go with? The reason I asked, I just love the style of something like that & I just want my body to feel relax & be spirited when peforming an art like that.

 

[VengeanceGOD]

I hear Hip-Hop-Kido's pretty good.