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KingRanger said:

No. Just no. The government was created by the people for the people. They work for us. The minute you start this "It's ok for them to keep secrets" nonsense, as is happening now, we all lose.

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edag88 said:

Waterboarding wasn't used on a daily basis on every person we captured when trying to find out their names.

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No conservative advocates that sort of practice at all, so when I present a situation to you in which something like waterboarding (which causes no physical pain at all) is used, I automatically become a fear monger. I see.

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FangireQueen said:

Because there are some things that would cause hysteria in America and cause more problems than it's worth. Do we need to know the play by play nitty gritty of every interrogation ever?
No. We don't. I do think we need to know what's going on with our nation. But it really is not a big deal for us to know if after doing all they could they had to resort to pulling off ____'s fingernails to find out that there wasn't a plot all along.

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FangireQueen said:

I'm not saying it's ok for them to keep secrets because yes they work for us. However, it's almost like a parent/child relationship. Because there are some things that would cause hysteria in America and cause more problems than it's worth. Do we need to know the play by play nitty gritty of every interrogation ever? No. We don't. I do think we need to know what's going on with our nation. But it really is not a big deal for us to know if after doing all they could they had to resort to pulling off ____'s fingernails to find out that there wasn't a plot all along.

Facebook is so stalkerific, let's just make the government get Facebooks lol.

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Quark said:

...YES. Yes, we need to know what they are doing. They represent us. It isn't a parent/child relationship, are you kidding me?

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FangireQueen said:

Again it's my opinion shaped by my life and my experiences. I live in an area that goes into a damn riot anytime something is said regarding government, positive or negative. I WOULD like to know everything that they do, however, there's too many people that can't control themselves with that knowledge. And PERSONALLY i'd rather have a calmer and more peaceful life with knowing the essentials

Again it's PERSONAL

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Forever Knight said:

Bro, when you act like it then what do you expect?.

But ya' I got my questions answered so this thread can be closed.

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Raida|23 said:

What do you mean, "not a big deal"? Your government crushin human rights=not a big deal? Are you serious?

And another thing, if you think that torture is needed, at least grow the balls to face the critics of international community. It looks that when you say "it could be ok, what's important is to not let people know" is because you know parts of the world -the parts where we torture is not ok- will critic your country, and you dont like this. This, or you can sleep better not knowin your country tortures people.

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edag88 said:

I never said there was an absolute answer, if someone goes into your house and isn't carrying a weapon or anything and says "I'm going to kill your wife and kids" you're not going to automatically tie them up and threaten to put their fingers in the food processor, but if you're in an impossible situation that's time sensitive and you know that person has the information you need to save innocent people, you do it. Waterboarding wasn't used on a daily basis on every person we captured when trying to find out their names. No conservative advocates that sort of practice at all, so when I present a situation to you in which something like waterboarding (which causes no physical pain at all) is used, I automatically become a fear monger. I see.

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KingRanger said:

So you want to have everything kept quiet so your life is peaceful? Even if that means the government that works for us hides things and keeps secrets?

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