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I haven't watched that movie yet, but I do think you can setup a conflict between Showa and Heisei Riders based on the proper way to do things, or differing goals, or the same goal but opposition on how to go about achieving it. Conflict doesn't have to be Riders fighting each other in spectacular battles though, which is what Toei seems fixated on.
 
I agree since the main Riders have no issues with each other. Which is why last year felt forced, especially since Showa Riders animosity towards the Heisei Riders was because of the way they did things. Which made them look like bitter old men who can't handle that times changed.

They seemed to want to avoid that angle by making the Showa Riders accuse the Heisei ones of being the ones stuck in the past longing and wanting to bring back the dead. So, the ones fighting for the "past" were the Heisei Riders in spite of being the newest ones. Of course, in the end, Toei still copped out on a solution to the conflict, especially with that very quick final battle where no one really won or lost but somehow all came to an understanding in seconds.
 
As has been said, in the Showa ending it seems the Showa team's true message was: "Stop bickering amongst yourselves. There is not true kindness in your hearts if you keep being d***s to each other.", and you can see how the Heisei team are so reluctant to team up with each other throughout the movie. In the Heisei ending though, Hongo and co. just went full grumpy old men OOC.
 
Yeah, something tells me Yonemura put a little more thought into the Showa ending and just couldn't find any proper justification for the Heisei ending. Yonemura is not a good writer and I feel like it could have been justified in a better writer's hands, but I find it hard to blame him for the ending since it's so obviously showhorned in (probably at Shirakura's insistence).
 
I thought Rider Taisen was pretty stupid with the "Showa yelling at Heisei for clinging to dead people" when...the Showa Riders are way guiltier of it. They couldn't let things go. They (rightfully) moped about being turned into cyborgs. Kazami sung about his dead family in the openings every week. Nobuhiko wasn't even dead, but Koutarou and the narrator wouldn't shut up about him. Heisei Riders are totally indifferent to a character dying, it will be the spark of one episode, but they're forgotten next week. (See: Kaoru Kino, anybody who died in Ryuki, Zanki, etc.) Heisei Riders don't mope about being Riders, they think it's, like, cool and KITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. So, it's still Yonemura sucking at writing.

I thought it was totally stupid to have Takumi bungle a fight so bad because he wanted Kusaka to come back. You kidding me? You know he had a party when Kusaka died in the series. All of Japan did. If Kusaka's mother were alive, she would have celebrated. Sad thing is, Yonemura accidentally wrote something good in the earlier portion of the movie with those scenes between Takumi and Jin, but of course fumbled and ruined them by what he did later on in the movie.
 
You can probably take away the hero fights in Kamen Rider Taisen and the movie will still make sense. All they needed to do was write a better plot to draw out Badan's weapons. I would gladly take away all the hero vs hero fights and have more scenes of the returning actors interacting with each other.

What they needed in that movie:

Every single returning actor transforming together. The max was like 3. I mean c'mon, you have like 8 returning actors. You can at least use this chance to blow our fucking minds by having them all transform together.
 
Every single returning actor transforming together. The max was like 3. I mean c'mon, you have like 8 returning actors. You can at least use this chance to blow our fucking minds by having them all transform together.

I think they probably weren't even together on set for the most part. Scenes like when "Joker", rather than Shotaro, meets Kouta, while Takumi and Tsukasa are there untransformed, suggest that the actor just wasn't available that much. See also Fujioka only appearing in one scene alongside other actors (his encounter with Kouta in the beginning of the movie).
 
In the Heisei ending though, Hongo and co. just went full grumpy old men OOC.

The Heisei ending is literally the same thing as the Showa ending.
Look people, you can complain about the flower thing all you want, but the truth of the matter is underneath the aesthetics the end result is basically the same.

I thought Rider Taisen was pretty stupid with the "Showa yelling at Heisei for clinging to dead people" when...the Showa Riders are way guiltier of it. They couldn't let things go. They (rightfully) moped about being turned into cyborgs. Kazami sung about his dead family in the openings every week. Nobuhiko wasn't even dead, but Koutarou and the narrator wouldn't shut up about him. Heisei Riders are totally indifferent to a character dying, it will be the spark of one episode, but they're forgotten next week. (See: Kaoru Kino, anybody who died in Ryuki, Zanki, etc.) Heisei Riders don't mope about being Riders, they think it's, like, cool and KITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. So, it's still Yonemura sucking at writing.

There is a difference between "reminiscence" and "obsession", and I do not understand why you lump the issue with Nobuhiko into being "not letting things" while saying "he isn't dead", because I would say that if your brother is still alive and held captive, not letting things go is pretty understandable.
And I'm pretty sure there are plenty of Heisei Riders who are bummed out of being a Rider, or at least not entirely fine with the situation they are in

I thought it was totally stupid to have Takumi bungle a fight so bad because he wanted Kusaka to come back. You kidding me? You know he had a party when Kusaka died in the series. All of Japan did. If Kusaka's mother were alive, she would have celebrated. Sad thing is, Yonemura accidentally wrote something good in the earlier portion of the movie with those scenes between Takumi and Jin, but of course fumbled and ruined them by what he did later on in the movie.
You are missing the point. The thing about Kusaka is the fact that it is exactly a bad thing, because Kusaka, whom also effectively acts as a shorthand for all the shaggy-dog events of Faiz, here represents how not only everything in the past is not worth preserving, but how dwelling in a past can in fact destroy a person, which is why Takumi has virtually gone nowhere since the end of Faiz and effectively stuck in a personal limbo.
It is the very opposite of fumbling, it is absolutely vital to the story, to effectively provide a thematic reason for Showa Riders' hostility just as the plotline with Shu is for Heisei Riders'.

And as for Rider infighting, I'd rather them acknowledge the fact how utterly bizarre and out-of-place Gaim and Drive are than just accept them willy-nilly, when there is clearly something up with them compared to other Riders.
 
The Heisei ending is literally the same thing as the Showa ending.
Look people, you can complain about the flower thing all you want, but the truth of the matter is underneath the aesthetics the end result is basically the same.

The message is the same, but it gives a different light to the earlier events in the movie. In the Showa ending, the Showa Riders are teaching them a lesson, while, in the Heisei ending, their entire conflict seems misguided from the Showa side since the Heisei Riders prove that they can do things their own way through Gaim's actions.

Both final scenes are clumsily executed, but the Heisei ending actively hurts the movie's narrative, while the Showa one concludes it, even if it's still not great.
 
The message is the same, but it gives a different light to the earlier events in the movie. In the Showa ending, the Showa Riders are teaching them a lesson, while, in the Heisei ending, their entire conflict seems misguided from the Showa side since the Heisei Riders prove that they can do things their own way through Gaim's actions.

Both final scenes are clumsily executed, but the Heisei ending actively hurts the movie's narrative, while the Showa one concludes it, even if it's still not great.

That is still the aesthetic detail, because both endings at the end deliver the simple message that this fight that the toku fandom have set up for a long time was utter nonsense to begin with. Sure, people currently complain about how "ugh why do Riders have to fight", but look back at all the comments previous and the thing is, people have been doing this dick-swinging for a while now. Showa vs. Heisei thing didn't come out of nowhere, and people probably even today on /m/ still constantly argue about Showa vs. Heisei, let's not even get into the weird rumours surrounding the whole tally thing. All the both endings pretty much do is lip-service to whichever side one happens to be on.

No matter who wins, it doesn't matter because neither side here is actually any better than the other. That's the conclusion.
 

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