Kamen Rider OOO Rumor/Picture Thread

[GekiDan]

Agito discussion in OOO thread? :O_O:

 

[Blue Saint]

No, look at it this way. I'm an organic being. I was technologically modified to not have any tonsils. Does that make me an inorganic being? Not exactly.

To my mind, Shin is still an organic being, he's just been technologically modified with bug-monster bits.

This distinguishes him from the cyborg Riders, who were technologically modified with inorganic bits.

I was arguing this earlier somewhere... I am not arguing that Shin isn't organic, just that he is technological in origin. And if we would argue that say Gills or Amazon are mystical due the part "magic" plays in their functioning, it would only be logical to argue that Shin is technological due the whatever active technology is at play within him. I admit this is highly debatable topic even outside the world of guys in rubber suits, and frankly can go either way depending on certain views you hold.

Edit: This just came to me, so bear with it if it sucks. How would describe a werewolf? Basically that is what Shin is more or less (broad terms here). He undergoes a self-sustained metamorphosis because some outside influence. The question is now do you define what type of creature it is by the cause or what the result is?

 

[Darkster]

No, look at it this way. I'm an organic being. I was technologically modified to not have any tonsils. Does that make me an inorganic being? Not exactly.

To my mind, Shin is still an organic being, he's just been technologically modified with bug-monster bits.

This distinguishes him from the cyborg Riders, who were technologically modified with inorganic bits.

I think I have the solution. People are arguing the wrong categories when we already have a perfect one.

Meanwhile Gills was in a league of his own....cause he's a mutant freak...

That's not nice. :nono2:

Agito discussion in OOO thread? :O_O:

Yes. :sweat:


Kaizo ningen and kaizogu are created from biotechnology. Why don't people just call them biotechnological?

 

[Forever Knight]

.....So you admit you're wrong? Sweet.

Don't even waste ur time on that guy.

 

[Japaneseseriesfan]

These statements are problematic. Agito is mystical or it isn't. It's really not logical to say that Agito isn't mystical even though the thing that creates Agito is mystical.

If the Seed of Agito is mystical, then it makes sense to say the evolutions it causes are still a basically mystical process. For Agito to be truly "organic" like, say, Shin, I think there would need to be no magic involved in the process whatsoever.

(And yeah, I'm aware I'm arguing that, say, Amazon would be mystical by this argument. But why not? He's created by a mystic bracelet, how could he not be mystical?)

Like I said, I don't want to say anyone's wrong. It's just that, let's say, you insert a twenty bill into a vending machine. You're still able to get a coke, same goes with a ten bill.

I guess what I'm trying is, despite it's different creation techniques, the end result is the same. That the body changes. Biologically, it changes. Headaches, pains, and supernatural abilities (enhanced human abilities like being a telepath) are the proofs. I mean, it's like taking a drug. It affects your body, causes reactions to it. Is it chemical changes? Yes. It affects parts of the body and may cause them to change. Is that biological? Yes.

I guess it's safe to say that, either way, Agito should be considered an Organic Rider, much like Gills, Kuuga, and Chalice.

The Seed of Agito itself may be mystical, but the result is an organic Rider. Input doesn't always result the same way as an output. In some cases, yes.

Yes, he is, in a way, a type of mystical Rider, but overall, he's more organic and should be classified that way.

 

[Hidden Masta]

Agito discussion in OOO thread? :O_O:

Ready to gooo. Count OOO Kamen Rider Agitooo. 0o0

 

[Lynxara]

Input doesn't always result the same way as an output.

Yes, actually, it does. That's the basic nature of cause and effect and the foundation of the scientific method. If you generate identical causes, you will in time come to understand why effects happen and what variations in effects are possible.

If your argument rests on the idea that Agito can have an output that has nothing to do with the input, then you're pretty much arguing that Agito is mystical, not that Agito is organic. You're arguing that Agito clearly functions in a way that organic beings do not.

 

[Japaneseseriesfan]

Yes, actually, it does. That's the basic nature of cause and effect and the foundation of the scientific method. If you generate identical causes, you will in time come to understand why effects happen and what variations in effects are possible.

If your argument rests on the idea that Agito can have an output that has nothing to do with the input, then you're pretty much arguing that Agito is mystical, not that Agito is organic. You're arguing that Agito clearly functions in a way that organic beings do not.

I'm saying that the input is the seed, which is mystical. If you put that in a human being, it becomes a part of them, much like how the Arcle becomes a part of Yuusuke. Mystical devices and humans results into organic riders.

However, like I said, it doesn't always result the same way. Kivat is a mystical device. Kiva, however, is not an organic Rider as his body is shown to have "changed", but that is through only the use of temporary injecting the power into the body. It's like a drug that wears off eventually. It has no effect on the Rider because he has Fangire blood.

Again, the output doesn't always have to result in the same way with the same input. There are times when these things are to be explored more. If you want to get specific, then yes, my statement is wrong. If you don't indicate that the input is temporary or permanent, like Kivat or Seed of Agito, then my statement isn't wrong. I just merely didn't state it thoroughly.

 

[Darkster]

Ready to gooo. Count OOO Kamen Rider Agitooo. 0o0

:laugh:

If the rumors about 000 are true, then you can say "Count 000" too and it fits better. :laugh:

 

[Black Fang]

.....So you admit you're wrong? Sweet.

You can't even prove me wrong.