Kamen Rider Decade - Talk UP!

If they are the canonical versions of the characters it makes no sense for them to peeved about a Rider trying to save lives *even if* their own worlds are threatened.

It's not just their own worlds though. Most people here are acting like they want to destroy the AR Worlds to selfishly save their own, but, based on what Wataru mentioned both in the first episode and here, Decade needs to kill the AR Riders (not worlds) to save every world.

Besides, Wataru in the first episode mentioned that a "rebirth" that only could come after destruction (unfortunately), so it's probable that the destruction will disappear after this "rebirth".

They're acting less sympathetic than in their own series, but not necessarily completely out of character (yet).
 
I dunno. For me to really buy that the alt-Riders somehow "needed" to die, I'd kind of want to know why. It's pretty clear in the second half of the show that there's just a bunch of parallel universes out there and that's just how things exist.

It's especially baffling when you bring Onodera into the equation because he's an alt-Rider, not the real Kuuga. But instead he's fighting with the "real" Riders kind of randomly. (Yes, he gets kissed by Kivala, but it's still pretty random.)
 
I dunno. For me to really buy that the alt-Riders somehow "needed" to die, I'd kind of want to know why. It's pretty clear in the second half of the show that there's just a bunch of parallel universes out there and that's just how things exist.

This part is pretty confusing currently.

In the first episode, Wataru mentioned that the worlds were colliding because the stories of the Riders, previously separate, were crossing. According to Wataru, in both first and last episodes, Decade needed to kill them, but, according to Kenzaki, he just needed to leave the Rider War World.

Either way, he did neither and the AR Worlds ended up erased as a result - besides Kuuga's.

It's especially baffling when you bring Onodera into the equation because he's an alt-Rider, not the real Kuuga. But instead he's fighting with the "real" Riders kind of randomly. (Yes, he gets kissed by Kivala, but it's still pretty random.)

Maybe, Onodera is considered the real Kuuga and Godai from the actual Kuuga tv series is considered just a secondary Rider of the original Agito World? It would explain why Yuusuke didn't disappear and why there was no Kuuga in Wataru's group.
 
DiEnd/Kaito just jumped to my top favorite 20 riders after that episode. He just left me with nothing more to say than "Oh Snap!" The final attack rider with Decade Complete was sick, then the end?! Wonderful cliff hanger, IMO. Well done Kaito, well done!
 
Maybe, Onodera is considered the real Kuuga and Godai from the actual Kuuga tv series is considered just a secondary Rider of the original Agito World?

That's an interesting theory, but the way the Kuuga arc went down in Decade doesn't bear it out, I think. The Kuuga arc is the only one that bothers to explain WHY a different character than the canonical one obtained powers. That makes me think something more complicated (or purposeful) is going on there.

The audience is very clearly shown Onodera getting the Arkull belt because Narutaki gives it to him. Yashiro has a line of dialogue that even clearly references another core member of the original Kuuga cast, the translator Sakurako.

To me that makes it seem that the writers wanted the audience to know that the original Kuuga cast members still existed but had been moved off-camera in this world, possibly by Narutaki's manipulations. For instance, Narutaki could well have given Onodera the belt in order to keep it out of Godai's hands.

Given the events of the last episode, there is a possible motive for why Narutaki would choose to do this. We know Narutaki wants to see Decade destroyed or removed from the big picture. We also know Kivara is Narutaki's agent and that she is instrumental in causing Onodera to transform into black-eyes Ultimate Kuuga.

Any fan of the original Kuuga knows that his black-eyes form is one in which the Kuuga powers have consumed the bearer and turned him into an engine of destruction. Onodera proves himself a less capable Kuuga than Godai at many points in Decade-- so it's reasonable to think that Narutaki may have chosen him because he wanted the Arkull belt in the hands of someone who he believed couldn't overcome the Kuuga power.

Then presumably all Narutaki has to do to destroy Decade is have a mechanism on hand that turns Onodera into black-eyes Ultimate Kuuga in a moment when he'll be pointed roughly in Decade's direction. All of this happens in the final episode, with Kivaara fulfilling her initially established role as Narutaki's agent.

If Onodera was "created" by Narutaki while the other A.R.s just kind of happened, that could also explain why something sustained him after the A. R. worlds apparently evaporated. Narutaki would have good reason to keep Onodera from disappearing just long enough for him to destroy Decade as the vessel of the Ultimate Kuuga power.

The main hole in my theory is that the show still doesn't clearly establish who the hell Narutaki is, what he really wants, or what his powers really are. I'm just supposing he ultimately wants to kill/destroy Decade and is generally capable of doing the things the plot requires. Narutaki could be revealed to be something else entirely and all the Kuuga stuff could be coincidental.

But Decade has consistently recognized that Kuuga is "special" among the Heisei series and seems to pre-suppose that its viewers know the basics of Kuuga's plot. It seems reasonable to assume there's some underlying reason for that and some reason for Onodera beyond Godai's actor being unavailable.
 
The audience is very clearly shown Onodera getting the Arkull belt because Narutaki gives it to him. Yashiro has a line of dialogue that even clearly references another core member of the original Kuuga cast, the translator Sakurako.

To me that makes it seem that the writers wanted the audience to know that the original Kuuga cast members still existed but had been moved off-camera in this world, possibly by Narutaki's manipulations. For instance, Narutaki could well have given Onodera the belt in order to keep it out of Godai's hands.

Hm... I can't really agree here. Your theory implies that Onodera is just some random person out of the street, when he's clearly even named Yuusuke too, just like the one of the original tv series.

Notice how in this last episode they showed Tsukasa clearly reacting in surprise to the "Kazuma" part of Kenzaki's name. The AR Riders being named after the original ones must mean something.

Even if I'm wrong and he's just another counterpart (and his reason for not disappearing is something else), he can't be from a world that also has a Yuusuke Godai.

The references to the translator and to the coffee shop probably were made just to show that this world is similar to the one of the original Kuuga, not to show that the worlds were identical. The original location of the belt wasn't even the same.

Then presumably all Narutaki has to do to destroy Decade is have a mechanism on hand that turns Onodera into black-eyes Ultimate Kuuga in a moment when he'll be pointed roughly in Decade's direction. All of this happens in the final episode, with Kivaara fulfilling her initially established role as Narutaki's agent.

Onodera in this final episode seemed more mind controlled than consumed by some will to fight. He was grinning, calm and slowly walked around Decade, rather than furiously attacking him (unlike in the original Rider War flashback). His personality change also took place when he was in human state, without even transforming into Kuuga.

It doesn't seem like he was possessed by his Kuuga powers and then changed. It seems more like he was changed (by Kivaara's power) and that's why his Kuuga powers developed differently.

But Decade has consistently recognized that Kuuga is "special" among the Heisei series and seems to pre-suppose that its viewers know the basics of Kuuga's plot. It seems reasonable to assume there's some underlying reason for that and some reason for Onodera beyond Godai's actor being unavailable.

They made several references to Kuuga, but other series got them too, like the random comment about the Battle Fight made by Decade's Chalice in the AR Blade World, even though it wasn't relevant at all to Decade itself nor directly explained in this series.

Only Natsumi's original Rider War dream and the Agito world implied that Kuuga was somehow special. But the Rider War dream actually favors the idea that Onodera might be the original somehow. Kiva doesn't have a kid's voice there, but Kuuga has Onodera's voice.
 
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