Kamen Rider Decade rumor/picture thread

[ShinmeiSuzaku]

You know, at first, I was pretty upset like a lot of you about Decade's ending. But today, I remembered something that helped put it into perspective. Code Geass and waiting four months for the cliffhanger season finale after the first one, and then waiting two years before it got a proper send off. So just remember, it could have been MUCH worse.

Yeah, but Code Geass had a Cliffhanger for just about every episode, so who DIDN'T expect a cliffhanger finale for the first season?

 

[Reebear]

If Double is gonna preview on the 6th, then what was shown during Decade's timeslot today?

 

[Lynxara]

There's one thing that bugs me about the December movie being pitched as the series finale... it's also the W crossover. If Toei does indeed plan to run W for a year, then they're going to want the crossover movie to promote W aggressively. They'll want screentime to be invested in the W characters doing things and an interaction with W's setting.

In Decade I noticed that in arcs where they had to move the plot forward somehow-- like, say, the Faiz arc that introduced Diend-- they didn't do a whole lot that was very interesting with the crossover. If they wanted to do a lot with the crossover, then any Decade plot development that had to happen in the arc was rushed through a bit (for instance, the Black RX/Black arc, where Tsukasa's first moment of real character development takes a clear back seat to HOLY **** GUYS WE GOT TETSUO KURATA).

I think this means there's a significant chance that Decade fans will be somewhat disappointed this December, because the movie seems likely to not actually be giving out all the answers we fans want to see. From Toei's point of view, it makes more sense to make sure it's a good W crossover first with elements of interest to Decade fans taking a backseat to that. We may get only a few new plot elements related to Decade revealed.

I'm not saying this will happen, mind-- I have no crystal ball, I can't read the future. But if the writers really wanted a stand-alone ending or a clear explanation of plot, they could've made time to include it in the last two episodes. That they didn't says a lot about their storytelling priorities and I don't see why the movie would suddenly change this (barring a different production staff).

I can easily see Decade ending up as the sort of franchise where a clear, logical explanation of the plot is only ever presented in gaiden material like a video game or sourcebook!

 

[Reebear]

Just hope they make it a separate movie and just show it back-to-back

 

[NeonZ]

There's one thing that bugs me about the December movie being pitched as the series finale... it's also the W crossover. If Toei does indeed plan to run W for a year, then they're going to want the crossover movie to promote W aggressively. They'll want screentime to be invested in the W characters doing things and an interaction with W's setting.

I don't think so. Both Den-O crossover movies marginalized the current series and had a purely Den-O centric plot, which could have worked perfectly well without the guest (Kiva/Decade).

Even though you're correct about Toei wanting to promote the current series, that's probably why it's a crossover in the first place. They want to use the popularity of the main series of the movie to promote the current series - but that still means the movie must focus on the series with a confirmed fanbase.

Really, just look at everything we've seen about the movie so far, even the other Heisei Riders (suit-only), like Agito and Kabuto were briefly shown in the promo, but Double didn't even appear outside of the logo.

Considering Toei's recent track record with Rider crossover movies, Double will randomly get a scene early on, do nothing, then will meet Decade somehow right before or during the final battle and then get a brief goodbye scene afterwards.

 

[Seventeen]

Double is probably gonna show up for like 5 minutes in the whole hour and 10 minutes or so of the movie. They are only gonna be there because there show is currently airing.

Decade probably should have been given a full season to tell its story, it's a shame Toei didn't give it that. I think the way they advanced the story in its final episode, could have carried the story over the last 20 episodes.

 

[ShinmeiSuzaku]

If Double is gonna preview on the 6th, then what was shown during Decade's timeslot today?

You mean Yesterday? Decade 31 Aired Yesterday, then Next week is the Double Premier.

Double is probably gonna show up for like 5 minutes in the whole hour and 10 minutes or so of the movie. They are only gonna be there because there show is currently airing.

Decade probably should have been given a full season to tell its story, it's a shame Toei didn't give it that. I think the way they advanced the story in its final episode, could have carried the story over the last 20 episodes.

The time of the movie depends if they plan on making this a full feature film or a budgeted film like the Den-O/Kiva film. I would believe that the Decade/Double film would have a higher budget, since unlike the Den-O movie which you can do without watching, this movie will actually be the ending to the Season and Decade is an Anniversary rider at that.

Although I think they could've done without the Amazon arc and just had a 4 episode Finale, Toei is a Company, and what's a better cash cow than this?
inb4ChouDen-O

 

[Reebear]

You mean Yesterday? Decade 31 Aired Yesterday, then Next week is the Double Premier.

Thanks, I lost track of the episodes since I wasn't used to having a raw version of the episode uploaded the same day it was aired...

Wondering if the All Rider movie takes place after the one that's scheduled for 12/12

 

[Lynxara]

I don't think so. Both Den-O crossover movies marginalized the current series and had a purely Den-O centric plot, which could have worked perfectly well without the guest (Kiva/Decade).

That's sensible in context of Den-O specifically-- Den-O is easily still a more popular property in Japan than either Kiva or Decade. He was certainly more popular at the time both films were shot. You make a movie like that from the standpoint of hoping Den-O's popularity rubs off on the new guy.

Now, that might be what Toei would want out of a Decade movie where W just happened to wander through for a bit... but I've not yet gotten the impression Decade's popularity is on par with Den-O's. If W is in the logo and if it's coming out when W's going to be about 20 episodes into its run, I'm betting he's going to play more of a role than Decade fans might actually want to see.

I mean, it's perfectly possible Decade could approach the movie as a case of the crossover going to the backburner for the sake of having its own plot stuff happen. I just can't see Toei allowing W to be undermined out of the gate like that, though. This movie has been shot before there's any clear idea of what W's popularity level will be and it'll air quite early in W's episode run. Toei has every reason to want to use it to push the W property.

I would be pleased if they didn't but I tend to be surprised when Toei does anything that makes sense from a creative standpoint.

Really, just look at everything we've seen about the movie so far, even the other Heisei Riders (suit-only), like Agito and Kabuto were briefly shown in the promo, but Double didn't even appear outside of the logo.

There's a high chance that promo was cut selectively to emphasize the Decade moments, given the context in which it was run. That is what anyone seeing a promo out of 31's bitch of a cliffhanger would want to see. If the promos are still like that into W's episode run then it would be a clear sign this is more a Decade film with W guest-starring, but... again, I would be surprised to see Toei willing to do that.

 

[ShinmeiSuzaku]

Thanks, I lost track of the episodes since I wasn't used to having a raw version of the episode uploaded the same day it was aired...

Wondering if the All Rider movie takes place after the one that's scheduled for 12/12

Given the track of Most Rider films...and Decades Finale, I would bet the Movie was more AU like the other Rider films than to be Cannon. Though Dai-Shocker was introduced in the series, they still made it obvious that it wasn't the Central enemy.