Kamen Rider Decade rumor/picture thread

[Gold Samurai]

This abrupt ending makes sense since it's still Decades year. Double is the benchwamer.

Kamen Rider hypaaaa

 

[ShinmeiSuzaku]

The only thing I dislike about the Final Form cards for the riders is the Blue Background for them. Really clashes with Decade's whole outfit. Would be better if they had a black BG like Decade's Complete card.

 

[NeonZ]

Now, that might be what Toei would want out of a Decade movie where W just happened to wander through for a bit... but I've not yet gotten the impression Decade's popularity is on par with Den-O's.

Ratings wise, it was a bigger success than Den-O. Merchandising-wise, the Finalform ride toyline was popular enough to get a direct successor in Double's toyline. The movie was very successful too.

There's also the inherent crossover aspect of the series. Focusing on Decade also means focusing on references to the previous 9 Rider shows, at least, (but potentially more, considering All Riders and later episodes of the tv series).

I agree that just the Decade cast by itself isn't as popular as Den-O's, but, adding the crossover element, it seemingly becomes more popular than Den-O by itself, even without much participation of actors of previous series.

I just can't see Toei allowing W to be undermined out of the gate like that, though. This movie has been shot before there's any clear idea of what W's popularity level will be and it'll air quite early in W's episode run. Toei has every reason to want to use it to push the W property.

That's exactly the reason I think Toei won't give Double much focus. If the tv series isn't very successful, a Double movie, especially one made before they could gather reaction about the tv series, could be hurt by it.

Decade, however, is a known success which reverted the trend of decreasing ratings while also getting a successful toyline.

The movie exists to make money for itself, not to push a tv series. In fact, like Decade has recently showed, with its cliff hanger ending, Toei now seems to prefer using the tv series to push the movies.

Besides, giving Double little screen time doesn't mean undermining it. Just look at the Den-O&Kiva movie or Double in All Riders. Base Kiva seemed comparable to Climax/Liner Form Den-O and Double seemed stronger than everyone else in All Riders.

There's a high chance that promo was cut selectively to emphasize the Decade moments, given the context in which it was run.

Even if the Decade's elements had been emphatized, there's no way Double's elements could be completely avoided if it had some importance for this movie.

In this promo, we saw two new Decade-based antagonists: the 2nd Tsukasa and Kamen Rider Kivaara. Basically the entire main cast has been reconfirmed too.

Now, look at the Den-O&Kiva movie. Even if you cut only the Kiva scenes, you'd still basically only get Kiva facing a Den-O villain and interacting with Den-O characters. Same for the Den-O&Decade movie. Even the trailers that focused on Decade just showed him among many Den-O elements like the Denliner or the new Oni villains.

 

[Lynxara]

That's exactly the reason I think Toei won't give Double much focus. If the tv series isn't very successful, a Double movie, especially one made before they could gather reaction about the tv series, could be hurt by it.

This is a fair point and I'd agree with you if the movie was slated to run... say, even after halfway through W's run? In practice, though, after sitting down and counting, W should be airing its 14th episode when the movie opens. This is pretty unusual timing for a Rider movie.

Generally Japanese producers (that I've seen) don't write a show in year-long format off as a wash until they see where the series is at after its halfway point. Generally whatever momentum a show picks up after mid-season upgrades predicts where it'll be at its ending.

The time to push a year-long property as zOMG super cool is during the show's first half, when you need to hook people for the long haul if at all possible. If Toei doesn't attempt to push interest in W through the movie, then they're passing up a really important opportunity.

(Now, if W ends up not being a year-long property, then emphasizing Decade's resolution instead might make a lot more sense.)

 

[Sp1r1tS]

This is a fair point and I'd agree with you if the movie was slated to run... say, even after halfway through W's run? In practice, though, after sitting down and counting, W should be airing its 14th episode when the movie opens. This is pretty unusual timing for a Rider movie.

Generally Japanese producers (that I've seen) don't write a show in year-long format off as a wash until they see where the series is at after its halfway point. Generally whatever momentum a show picks up after mid-season upgrades predicts where it'll be at its ending.

The time to push a year-long property as zOMG super cool is during the show's first half, when you need to hook people for the long haul if at all possible. If Toei doesn't attempt to push interest in W through the movie, then they're passing up a really important opportunity.

(Now, if W ends up not being a year-long property, then emphasizing Decade's resolution instead might make a lot more sense.)

Well this might actually give some credence to another short season because Decade followed a similar formula. The Den-O Episodes were episodes 14 & 15 and then you had the Den-O/Decade movie so it seems to be setting up a production pattern of sorts, you might be able to set your calender for a Double Solo Flick in April.

 

[Lynxara]

As much as I'd like to see Rider move to a shorter series format, I'm pretty skeptical about Toei doing so. It essentially doubles production costs, but not in a way I could see also doubling merch sales.

I find the rumor that Toei wants to move season starts into September for holiday toy sales purposes before reverting to the annual format quite a bit more convincing-- though that's also just a rumor for now, too!

Either way, you're quite right that it may well be April 2010 before it's really clear what Toei means to do with the future of Rider.

 

[garfield15]

Wareware wa....Super Sen....I mean, Kamen Raidaa!
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I feel sorry for the poor sap who has to take that and get his ass handed to them in so many ways...

 

[NeonZ]

The time to push a year-long property as zOMG super cool is during the show's first half, when you need to hook people for the long haul if at all possible. If Toei doesn't attempt to push interest in W through the movie, then they're passing up a really important opportunity.

Hm... I just disagree with your idea of a movie being used primarily as marketing for a tv series. I don't think Toei has ever done anything like that. It's usually the other way around - the series promotes the movie.

These out of season movies might feature something from a new or upcoming series, but their point is to generate revenue directly. Just look at movie exclusive Riders.

If they were featured in the tv series too, they'd certainly sell more merchandising, but they're kept movie-only to help the movie itself, not the series in general. That shows to me that the success of the Rider movies themselves is an important consideration.

 

[thepan]

So the 12/12 Double-Decade Movie will conclude DCD series? Am I correct?

 

[ShinmeiSuzaku]

So the 12/12 Double-Decade Movie will conclude DCD series? Am I correct?

That's how its being Marketed as. But it's likely Decade might Cameo in Future Anniversary Riders.