In which the Kaiju genre gets enthusiastically analyzed

The Analyzer

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I've been on a kaiju kick lately. I've been dusting off my old DVDs and videos for some monster goodness. I have watched Gamera the Brave frequenlty and would stan it 4eva and eva!!! I squealed with joy upon finding a website that had most of the Gamera films...and shrieked in rage when a few I desperately wanted to see go to expired links.

I'm halfway through Godzilla the Series and enjoy it greatly, especially the amusing HEAT team which gives off a nakama-ish vibe.

I've seen a few of the Godzilla movies and plan to see more after exams. I like a few of the human characters like Miki Saegusa. I enjoy the Rebirth of Mothra trilogy for all the shinyness and the potentially interesting plot points that weren't well executed. I love all the monsters. Yes, this includes Minya/Minilla (Though mostly for the intriguing image of him and Godzilla Jr. being siblings).

Basically this is a post to stan about your favorite stuff about the Kaiju genre. Even Serious Business Analysis(TM) is allowed, since that can be fun too (Oh, all the stuff I like about Gamera the Brave).

Anyway...that's all. I need to head to bed before I weird you all out further.
 

FreedomR8G6B1

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Ishiro Honda said:
"Monsters are born too tall, too strong, too heavy...that is their tragedy."
:buttrock::buttrock::buttrock:


...that's all I have to say. Daikaiju fan before anything else.:thumbs:



PS: Fan of Oodako, Ookondoru, Rodan, Anguirus, King Seesar, and Biollante's Rose Form
 

The Analyzer

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"Monsters are born too tall, too strong, too heavy...that is their tragedy."
This quote makes me think about Godzilla befriending other monsters. In the showa era and various other incarnations where he had monster allies, did that help make life easier?

And this makes me sad for Gamera, who doesn't have any monster allies. At all. If there are more Gamera movies, maybe Toto can be one. The Garasharp young could be this as well, though it would be so awkward if they found out Gamera killed their mother.

I love Mothra in all her/his incarnations. Their wings are so rainbowy and attacks so shiny. Plus her priestesses songs are pretty. I'd be the weird dude who sang along with them.

Anguirus I adore muchly and ship harder than hard with Godzilla. Oops, accidental innuendo! Or was it...

I like Rodan and especially when he was a protective BB to Junior.

Oodako, Ookondoru, and King Caesar are cool in that they don't fall under the "Lizards, Dinos, and Bugs OH MY" category that most Kaiju fall under. The former two are kind of weak, so they would probably need a Power Upgrade to be substantial threats in future films.

Biollante is love. I remember when I was a kid putting a flower petal under a microscope in imitation to the movie. I might have tried to combine it with something but I barely remember doing this as it is. And I think I vaguely ship Biollante and Rodan.

My favorite antagonists were SpaceGodzilla and Megaguirus. Interestingly, it was a while before I saw any of those films. SpaceGodzilla looked KEWL and Megaguirus being a dragonfly mutant hit my interest button HARD.

I like Guilala from The X From Outer Space. He was silly looking but he was original looking and I like original monsters. I also like the Gappa.

On the Gamera side, I like both him and Toto. Guiron is cool and Space Gyaos is so SILVERY AND SHINY! Barugon shoots RAINBOWS from his back. And I like Zedus.

There are probably more but they are the ones that came to my head.
 

Mr G

Fighting evil makes me thirsty
I've gotten more into kaiju here recently. I've got every single Gamera film except for Gamera 3: Revenge of Iris and I'll be snagging that one when it comes out on Blu-ray later this year. :thumbs:

Gamera is pretty underrated. It seems the Big G (I really don't have to give his name do I? :laugh:) always steals his thunder. Granted, Godzilla films are generally a little more serious than Gamera's but they're still very enjoyable for me. I think that lots of folks are turned off by the kid-friendliness of the Gamera films and the ultra-kawaii Gamera march theme.

I've picked up some stuff I haven't got around to watching yet (Rodan and The War of the Gargantuas). As soon as I get some more time I'll be watching those. I'm especially excited about The War of the Gargantuas.
 

FreedomR8G6B1

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This quote makes me think about Godzilla befriending other monsters. In the showa era and various other incarnations where he had monster allies, did that help make life easier?
The significance of Honda's quote is that the monsters deserved to have their own personality; compared to what the US usually does, Japanese Monsters tend to have a personality of their own and are not necessarily evil. And the fact, Godzilla had willingness to team up with other monsters and humanity to fight a common foe tends to portray Godzilla with a more complex personality.

I love Mothra in all her/his incarnations. Their wings are so rainbowy and attacks so shiny. Plus her priestesses songs are pretty. I'd be the weird dude who sang along with them.
BOO!!! I hate her. I know she's trying to appeal to the female audience, but dang, it made it feel like all the other daikaiju from the TOHO universe insignificant; not to mention she scores the most victories against Godzilla to the point that Hardcore Holly started slamming Godzilla on WWF Magazine, stating that "GODZILLA LOST TO A SISSY BUTTERFLY.":shakefist

Anguirus I adore muchly and ship harder than hard with Godzilla. Oops, accidental innuendo! Or was it...

I like Rodan and especially when he was a protective BB to Junior.

Oodako, Ookondoru, and King Caesar are cool in that they don't fall under the "Lizards, Dinos, and Bugs OH MY" category that most Kaiju fall under. The former two are kind of weak, so they would probably need a Power Upgrade to be substantial threats in future films.

Biollante is love. I remember when I was a kid putting a flower petal under a microscope in imitation to the movie. I might have tried to combine it with something but I barely remember doing this as it is. And I think I vaguely ship Biollante and Rodan.
The main reason why I love monsters that some people hate for the following reasons:

-Oodaku and Ookondoru, I loved them not only because they were plain, but King Kong vs. Godzilla and Godzilla vs. the Sea Monsters demonstrated SFX at its most basic. Oodaku was actually 4 real live octopi (one got eaten by Honda himself...LOL), while Ookondoru was a marionette and pitting them against a suitmation actor. As clunky as it looked, it demonstrates how Toho tried many things to do Daikaiju.

-Biollante's Rose Form I liked better than the final form mainly because, the Rose Form represented Biollante's Humanity. Not to mention it's willingness to fight despite the fact Godzilla was far more stronger than her.

-Rodan, Anguirus, and King Seesar I loved them as allies, and was happy that Godzilla decided to spare them in Final Wars. In addition, their willingness to fight Mechagodzilla despite losing. Afterall, Mothra might have scored the most wins against Godzilla, Mechagodzilla is the one that actually succeeded in almost killing Godzilla.

Gamera is pretty underrated. Granted, Godzilla films are generally a little more serious than Gamera's but they're still very enjoyable for me. I think that lots of folks are turned off by the kid-friendliness of the Gamera films and the ultra-kawaii Gamera march theme.
Gamera is pretty tricky. People hate the Showa yet state the Heisei Gamera was better than any of the Godzilla Movies. Gamera the Brave (which is the only Millenium movie thus far) was trying to balance between the Showa and Heisei.

As for the March of Gamera, the song came up as very obnoxious to me for some reason. Didn't feel kiddie, yet it felt like SNL obnoxiouness.:sly:

I've picked up some stuff I haven't got around to watching yet (Rodan and The War of the Gargantuas). As soon as I get some more time I'll be watching those. I'm especially excited about The War of the Gargantuas.
May I recommend Yog/The Space Amoeba? It's like a daikaiju version of John Carpenter's The Thing.
 

Mr G

Fighting evil makes me thirsty
~snip

Gamera is pretty tricky. People hate the Showa yet state the Heisei Gamera was better than any of the Godzilla Movies. Gamera the Brave (which is the only Millenium movie thus far) was trying to balance between the Showa and Heisei.

As for the March of Gamera, the song came up as very obnoxious to me for some reason. Didn't feel kiddie, yet it felt like SNL obnoxiouness.:sly:

May I recommend Yog/The Space Amoeba? It's like a daikaiju version of John Carpenter's The Thing.
Heisei Gamera is great. I'm especially pumped for Gamera 3: Revenge of Iris coming to Blu-ray because I never caught the DVD release of it and have yet to see it. And honestly...the Gamera March isn't my thing either. :laugh: I love Gamera, but that theme...wow.

I do have to admit that Showa Gamera can be...pretty campy at times. Overall, they're enjoyable films but I think part of that joy comes from some of the cheesy/corny moments.

I have actually considered getting Space Amoeba. I've got quite a few things on my "To Buy" list including Frankenstein Conquers the World, Atragon, Varan, Dogora, and a few others. Hopefully I'll get my hands on those soon. :thumbs:
 

The Analyzer

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Gamera is pretty underrated. It seems the Big G (I really don't have to give his name do I? :laugh:) always steals his thunder. Granted, Godzilla films are generally a little more serious than Gamera's but they're still very enjoyable for me. I think that lots of folks are turned off by the kid-friendliness of the Gamera films and the ultra-kawaii Gamera march theme.
Probably. Kiddie = bad, though many of the films aren't perfect.

I think Gamera The Brave balanced the tone between the Heisei and Showa era. If you haven't seen it, I encourage it. Though some things that make Gamera Gamera are taken out like his roar, it's still a good movie. I watched it with my mom last Saturday. Her gasp to surprises like Zedus's appearance were fun to watch.

I also have a theory Gamera had a series of his own because he was quite unique to all the other Godzilla Follow the Leaders.

I've watched the first three Gamera movies. The first one was enjoyable though they completely dropped the ball with his fondness for kids aspect. Toshio kept appearing therafter and I was expecting Gamera to show fondness for him again and the main scientist to be all but bursting in excitement at the revelation.

Barugon was fun and Onodera very bad. Though the Japanese actors wearing the New Guinea equivalent to Blackface was so freaking cringeworthy I can't even.

Gyaos had the dub actors try to do the stereotypical Asian accent, which was also cringeworthy. So was the mixed message about the highway being built through the village and the angry land owners. At least the kid in this film, Eiichi, popped up every now and then to supply brainwaves for the scientists. Someone give this clever kid a scholarship to a good school! He and Toshio can become the Kaiju Scientist Duo!

I've picked up some stuff I haven't got around to watching yet (Rodan and The War of the Gargantuas). As soon as I get some more time I'll be watching those. I'm especially excited about The War of the Gargantuas.
Sanda and Gaira are interesting monsters. Hope you like them. ::thumbs::

The significance of Honda's quote is that the monsters deserved to have their own personality; compared to what the US usually does, Japanese Monsters tend to have a personality of their own and are not necessarily evil. And the fact, Godzilla had willingness to team up with other monsters and humanity to fight a common foe tends to portray Godzilla with a more complex personality.
Ah, that makes sense. The Rodan's Roost website has a section for each monster where their personality is explained. As a character-driven type of writer, I love the site (Though it sadly doesn't update anymore, so no profiles of the Final Wars monsters, Toto and Zedus, or the Television monsters which would most likely include Ultraman).

BOO!!! I hate her. I know she's trying to appeal to the female audience, but dang, it made it feel like all the other daikaiju from the TOHO universe insignificant; not to mention she scores the most victories against Godzilla to the point that Hardcore Holly started slamming Godzilla on WWF Magazine, stating that "GODZILLA LOST TO A SISSY BUTTERFLY."
Eeh, don't let the people who are all "Girly character = Bad; Manly character who gets beaten by Girly character = BADDER THAN BAD" get to you. Plus I think it's nice that a girly kaiju can go toe to toe with the King of the Monsters and give him a good challenge. Though she has the habit of dying a lot and no other male kaiju I recall does that.

As for making other monsters look insignificant, I'm the type who blames the writers, not the characters. Though Anguirus going against impossible odds and surviving is his main charm point.

-Oodaku and Ookondoru, I loved them not only because they were plain, but King Kong vs. Godzilla and Godzilla vs. the Sea Monsters demonstrated SFX at its most basic. Oodaku was actually 4 real live octopi (one got eaten by Honda himself...LOL), while Ookondoru was a marionette and pitting them against a suitmation actor. As clunky as it looked, it demonstrates how Toho tried many things to do Daikaiju.
Ooh, interesting. I hope more interesting kaiju like that appear in the future.

-Biollante's Rose Form I liked better than the final form mainly because, the Rose Form represented Biollante's Humanity. Not to mention it's willingness to fight despite the fact Godzilla was far more stronger than her.
I can see your point and also add a different reason: the rose head was a bit unique while the dino head, while terrifying, made her a bit more generic (So many mutated dinos!).

-Rodan, Anguirus, and King Seesar I loved them as allies, and was happy that Godzilla decided to spare them in Final Wars. In addition, their willingness to fight Mechagodzilla despite losing. Afterall, Mothra might have scored the most wins against Godzilla, Mechagodzilla is the one that actually succeeded in almost killing Godzilla.
I don't think Rodan fought - Oh, you mean MechaGodzilla II.

Yes, I loved that he spared them, thought storywise it was probably random.

May I recommend Yog/The Space Amoeba? It's like a daikaiju version of John Carpenter's The Thing.
Seconded. Plus Kameobas/Kamebas/Whats-His-Name cameoed in Tokyo SOS as a washed up corpse. Originally supposed to be Anguirus, but they wisely changed their decision.
 

FreedomR8G6B1

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I do have to admit that Showa Gamera can be...pretty campy at times. Overall, they're enjoyable films but I think part of that joy comes from some of the cheesy/corny moments.
Yeah, I love them for what they are. Sandy Frank tried to do their best, but given the era and the censorship criteria. Then again, if the entire Showa Era is featured on MST3K...it's good for comedic effect, but bad for the daikaiju genre overall; mainly because its presented in a negative light at the expense of the Showa Era's effects, music, and dialog.

I mean..."STAY BACK OR I'LL FEED THE CHILDREN TO THE DOLPHINS!!!"

...ngh...nnnnnnnnnnot a good way to dub, yo.:sly:

Probably. Kiddie = bad, though many of the films aren't perfect.

I think Gamera The Brave balanced the tone between the Heisei and Showa era. If you haven't seen it, I encourage it. Though some things that make Gamera Gamera are taken out like his roar, it's still a good movie. I watched it with my mom last Saturday. Her gasp to surprises like Zedus's appearance were fun to watch.

I also have a theory Gamera had a series of his own because he was quite unique to all the other Godzilla Follow the Leaders.
...and to think I still laugh at the rumor in the 90s where Disney showed interest in doing an American Gamera movie.:laugh:


...btw...Ayako Fujitani, who played Asagi Kusanagi from the Heisei Gamera series, is the daughter of Steven Seagal.

Eeh, don't let the people who are all "Girly character = Bad; Manly character who gets beaten by Girly character = BADDER THAN BAD" get to you. Plus I think it's nice that a girly kaiju can go toe to toe with the King of the Monsters and give him a good challenge. Though she has the habit of dying a lot and no other male kaiju I recall does that.

As for making other monsters look insignificant, I'm the type who blames the writers, not the characters. Though Anguirus going against impossible odds and surviving is his main charm point.
Still other Toho monsters having their own movie would've been cool, but the Mothra Trilogy, as good as they were, made it feel like she was stealing the spotlight after Godzilla's destruction in 1995.

I would've love to see a secondary G-Monster get the spotlight, whether it'd be...I dunno...I would love to see an Anguirus, Rodan, and King Seesar team up like what they did in Final Wars.:castlerock:

Ooh, interesting. I hope more interesting kaiju like that appear in the future.
Another thing I like about Oodako and Ookondoru is...

Oodaku was presented as a "berry loving octopus" and not a meat eater. Yes, he threw around villagers, but did not eat them. Then again, he beat Frankenstein, but it was the suitmation version of it, which I hated.:redface2:

Ookondoru, I found him pecking Godzilla's head very hilarious, so at least it tried to fight and when Godzilla nailed him with the Atomic Ray, the way he crashed was funny.

Furthermore, it was rumored that it was suppose to be King Kong vs. Ebriah; so I believe that Oodaku and Ookondoru were suitable monsters at one point were considered for Final Wars.

Yes, I loved that he spared them, thought storywise it was probably random.
Actually, there was a storyboard where Godzilla does kill them, but I'm glad that Ryuhei Kitamura dropped that idea; not to mention not having a suitable budget to shoot helps too.

Not to mention one of the best daikaiju scenes...EVER!!!:castlerock:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45bhYranXdw"]YouTube - [Godzilla - Final Wars] Godzilla's biggest WTF moment[/ame]
 

The Analyzer

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I mean..."STAY BACK OR I'LL FEED THE CHILDREN TO THE DOLPHINS!!!"
Someone pointed out on TVTropes that the orcas the threatener references as dolphins had a history of killing people in domestication.

Gamera's next enemy. An orca kaiju!

...and to think I still laugh at the rumor in the 90s where Disney showed interest in doing an American Gamera movie.:laugh:
*confused* I'm confused by how what I said inspired this recollection.

...btw...Ayako Fujitani, who played Asagi Kusanagi from the Heisei Gamera series, is the daughter of Steven Seagal.
*wikis* Oh, that's right. I'm not more shocked because the only thing I know about Steve Seagal is that he exists.

Still other Toho monsters having their own movie would've been cool, but the Mothra Trilogy, as good as they were, made it feel like she was stealing the spotlight after Godzilla's destruction in 1995.
Maybe they were experimenting with spinoffs and decided to go with Mothra to test the market (Though they weren't so cautious when changing a couple things about Mothra's mythos).

I would've love to see a secondary G-Monster get the spotlight, whether it'd be...I dunno...I would love to see an Anguirus, Rodan, and King Seesar team up like what they did in Final Wars.:castlerock:
The only spinoffs I can see happening is for monsters that starred in their own movies. Rodan, um...I'm blanking out on the rest.

Interesting stuff about Oodako and Ookondoru.

Actually, there was a storyboard where Godzilla does kill them, but I'm glad that Ryuhei Kitamura dropped that idea; not to mention not having a suitable budget to shoot helps too.

Not to mention one of the best daikaiju scenes...EVER!!!:castlerock:

YouTube - [Godzilla - Final Wars] Godzilla's biggest WTF moment
Godzilla playing soccer with Anguirus is full of lulz.

Also, Rodan's fall to the ground looks strangely claymation-ish!

Edit: *glances at the post above in confusion* Is newspring a spambot?
 

FreedomR8G6B1

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Someone pointed out on TVTropes that the orcas the threatener references as dolphins had a history of killing people in domestication.

Gamera's next enemy. An orca kaiju!
We haven't got our Garasharp movie yet and after the Koreans doing D-War-Dragon War, not to mention all the Giant Snake movies made as SyFy Original Movies...you'd think we'd get a turtle/cobra battle already.:shakefist

Speaking of Orca Kaiju, they recreated Moby Dick as a mutated Sperm Whale Monster.:sly:

CURSE YOU SYFY ORIGINALS!!!:shakefist

*confused* I'm confused by how what I said inspired this recollection.
Any talk of Gamera reminds me about that. As the rest of the rumor went, it would of starred Leslie Nielsen...:laugh:

R.I.P. "Airplane"/"Naked Gun" dude

Maybe they were experimenting with spinoffs and decided to go with Mothra to test the market (Though they weren't so cautious when changing a couple things about Mothra's mythos).
Honestly, I wouldn't put it past them to put all the Mothra Eras into one continuity, it kinda fits compared to Godzilla's background which constantly changes.

The only spinoffs I can see happening is for monsters that starred in their own movies. Rodan, um...I'm blanking out on the rest.
Rodan fighting Megaguirus would've been cool. It would be a throw back to the 50s flick. Afterall, Rodan did eat him.:sweat:

Anguirus never had his own movie nor did King Seesaw (HAIL CAESAR!!! Friends, Kaiju...lend me your ears.:laugh:). Ironically, Godzilla's Counterattack (aka Gigantis the Fire Monster) was the last of the Godzilla movies I finally got to see...BANANA OIL!:shakefist
 
Mothra is bitchin' - one of Toho's best monster characters. If you haven't seen the original then you owe it to yourself to go and watch it. "Sissy butterfly," my eye!

The Mothra trilogy is typical 90s Toho Garbage™ though. Everything they put out between Godzilla Vs. King Ghidorah and Godzilla 2000 is pretty awful in general.
 

FreedomR8G6B1

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Mothra is bitchin' - one of Toho's best monster characters. If you haven't seen the original then you owe it to yourself to go and watch it.
Seen all the Mothra movies, yes, she has a motherly personality which is why she appeals to the female audience. Then again, she also has an Armored Form which can go through Ghidorah like a hot knife through butter.:sweat:

"Sissy butterfly," my eye!
:laugh::laugh::laugh:

...in all honesty, the way Mothra performed overall, I'm kind of surprised Toho didn't decide to do a daikaiju tokusatsu; instead of doing the Seishin thing perhaps they should of sticked with what they were good at.

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...I'm really inclined for Jet Jaguar to have his own TV series though.:buttrock:


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The Analyzer

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We haven't got our Garasharp movie yet and after the Koreans doing D-War-Dragon War, not to mention all the Giant Snake movies made as SyFy Original Movies...you'd think we'd get a turtle/cobra battle already.:shakefist

Speaking of Orca Kaiju, they recreated Moby Dick as a mutated Sperm Whale Monster.:sly:

CURSE YOU SYFY ORIGINALS!!!:shakefist
A Garasharp movie would be very cool, especially if they explore the plot point that Gamera protects monster children as well. Would the baby Garasharp be loyal to Gamera? How would the government react to it? It tickles my speculative side.

Just as they like making disaster movies out of everything, SyFy seems to like making giant monsters out of everything. Mosquitos, crocodiles, pterodactyl, probably others I don't recall. So making a monster out of a Sperm Whale shouldn't surprise me.

Any talk of Gamera reminds me about that. As the rest of the rumor went, it would of starred Leslie Nielsen...:laugh:

R.I.P. "Airplane"/"Naked Gun" dude
I was born in 1989, so I was oblivious to any such rumors. We had a video store which had a couple of the Showa Gamera movies and many more of the Godzilla films. It was a good store to find obscure movies. *nostalgic*

Thank goodness for the Internet!

Honestly, I wouldn't put it past them to put all the Mothra Eras into one continuity, it kinda fits compared to Godzilla's background which constantly changes.
The Rebirth of Mothra trilogy is definitely in a separate continuity. Their twins are fraternal and have distinct personalities. The ones in the Godzilla continuities...don't. Though the trilogy has given me story ideas involving Belvera and the many types of Mothras that exist.

Rodan fighting Megaguirus would've been cool. It would be a throw back to the 50s flick. Afterall, Rodan did eat him.:sweat:

Anguirus never had his own movie nor did King Seesaw (HAIL CAESAR!!! Friends, Kaiju...lend me your ears.:laugh:). Ironically, Godzilla's Counterattack (aka Gigantis the Fire Monster) was the last of the Godzilla movies I finally got to see...BANANA OIL!:shakefist
The movies would probably need to establish the identities of the monsters. What would be the story motifs and character tics of the movies and monsters?

(BTW, I think you spelled King Caesar's name wrong)

I need to get my handes on the originals of the first and second movie. I've read the original of the first one had been released a couple years back. I wonder if the original of the second movie has been released.

Mothra is bitchin' - one of Toho's best monster characters. If you haven't seen the original then you owe it to yourself to go and watch it. "Sissy butterfly," my eye!
Preach it! :buttrock: (Though the trilogy has some story potential that could be better explored in future movies)

Seen all the Mothra movies, yes, she has a motherly personality which is why she appeals to the female audience. Then again, she also has an Armored Form which can go through Ghidorah like a hot knife through butter.:sweat:
Never underestimate an enormous Mama Bear with a pair of tiny twins or a child they want to protect.

...in all honesty, the way Mothra performed overall, I'm kind of surprised Toho didn't decide to do a daikaiju tokusatsu; instead of doing the Seishin thing perhaps they should of sticked with what they were good at.
A tv series with Mothra makes me happy at the thought of all the possible Mothras that could be seen (Or enemy butterflies/moths with colorful wings).

...I'm really inclined for Jet Jaguar to have his own TV series though.:buttrock:
Jet Jaguar would really need to establish his own identity in order for that to happen. I vaguely remember him being held up in lawsuits before being released in Godzilla Unleashed video game.
 
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FreedomR8G6B1

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The movies would probably need to establish the identities of the monsters. What would be the story motifs and character tics of the movies and monsters?
Well, the two Rodan dramatics are a start. Although, the US portrayed the Rodans choosing to die together dramatic.

(BTW, I think you spelled King Caesar's name wrong)
They're all right actually. But, his Japanese name is Kingu Shisha, which is played on the word "Shishi" or the Guardian Lion Statues in Asian Myth. The US translation was "Seesar" but alternative uses included "Seesaw" and "Caesar" in US print

Jet Jaguar would really need to establish his own identity in order for that to happen.
He is based off of Ultraman and Super Robot, so it would be an easy transition.

Speaking of which, Zone Fighter is a kyodai show that guest starred Godzilla, Ghidorah, and Gigan.
 

The Analyzer

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Well, the two Rodan dramatics are a start. Although, the US portrayed the Rodans choosing to die together dramatic.
I wonder how a Rodan film series would work with two Rodans, particulary if they were a couple (Besides a bump in Rodan pr0n). Also, would all the enemies/allies be the flying type. *muses about this*

They're all right actually. But, his Japanese name is Kingu Shisha, which is played on the word "Shishi" or the Guardian Lion Statues in Asian Myth. The US translation was "Seesar" but alternative uses included "Seesaw" and "Caesar" in US print.
Dang "Spell My Name With An S" phenomenom.

Well, I guess King Caesar's films would be influenced by King Shiisa and other Okinawan myths. Anyone want to do research on that?

He is based off of Ultraman and Super Robot, so it would be an easy transition.
Not unless Tsubaraya sues. I think I heard Jet Jaguar was held up from Godzilla video games due to such a dispute. If a tv series ever transpires, they would have to compare Jet Jaguar and Ultraman and set to define their differences.

Speaking of which, Zone Fighter is a kyodai show that guest starred Godzilla, Ghidorah, and Gigan.
I've heard of it. There are clips of nearly every fight online and they are interesting to watch. I wonder if Toho would ever incorporate those monsters into the Godzilla mythos.

In other news, I came across a Godzilla and Gamera crossover piece that is very good. It has kind of a poetic feel, but it's five pages.
 
the Big G
Hell yeah, I love calling Godzilla the Big G. It's a badass nickname. :thumbs:

I'm a kaiju fan oh yes! I'm especially a fan of the 90s and 2000s movies. My uber favorites being GMK, the Gamera trilogy, Destoroyah, Final Wars, Megaguiras, 90s Mechagodzilla, etc.

I also love some of the oldschool Godzilla movies, especially the original with Dr. Serizawa. Though some of the old ones I find a little boring. But hey, I always respect the Big G. For some reason the oldschool Gamera movies don't really do it for me, but I do love 90s Gams, and in general he's a class act. He's one great turtle! And thanks for the heads-up on the Gamera blu-rays, I must get that. Hopefully we get more Godzilla on blu-ray too.

Now, the real question is when is the Big G coming back? Godzilla went on hiatus back in 2004. I hope he's back by 2014, his 60th birthday!

I know there's an American Godzilla flick in the works, which hopefully could be fun, but I'm anxious for the Japanese film series to get rockin' again.
 
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Mr G

Fighting evil makes me thirsty
Hell yeah, I love calling Godzilla the Big G. It's a badass nickname. :thumbs:

I'm a kaiju fan oh yes! I'm especially a fan of the 90s and 2000s movies. My uber favorites being GMK, the Gamera trilogy, Destoroyah, Final Wars, Megaguiras, 90s Mechagodzilla, etc.

I also love some of the oldschool Godzilla movies, especially the original with Dr. Serizawa. Though some of the old ones I find a little boring. But hey, I always respect the Big G. For some reason the oldschool Gamera movies don't really do it for me, but I do love 90s Gams, and in general he's a class act. He's one great turtle! And thanks for the heads-up on the Gamera blu-rays, I must get that. Hopefully we get more Godzilla on blu-ray too.

Now, the real question is when is the Big G coming back? Godzilla went on hiatus back in 2004. I hope he's back by 2014, his 60th birthday!

I know there's an American Godzilla flick in the works, which hopefully could be fun, but I'm anxious for the Japanese film series to get rockin' again.
Glad to see other kaiju fans. xD

Old school Gamera definitely isn't for everyone. I must admit that as enthusiastic as I am about the movies they can still sometimes get me a little sleep. :laugh:

There's going to be another Godzilla movie in 2012 so he'll be back sooner than you think! I'm hoping that there's enough hype around the movie to prompt some Blu-ray releases of other Godzilla movies.

BTW, did you guys know that Godzilla vs. Megalon and Destroy All Monsters is going to get DVD and Blu-ray treatment by Media Blasters? There's no official word from Media Blasters on this but there should be official word from them soon.
 

The Analyzer

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Hell yeah, I love calling Godzilla the Big G. It's a badass nickname. :thumbs:.
Randy from Godzilla the Series loves to nickname him "G-man." He acts like a defensive brother whenever someone criticizes the G-man.

I'm a kaiju fan oh yes! I'm especially a fan of the 90s and 2000s movies. My uber favorites being GMK, the Gamera trilogy, Destoroyah, Final Wars, Megaguiras, 90s Mechagodzilla, etc.
I just saw the Gamera trilogy - it's available legally online, though dubbed - and I enjoyed it. I haven't seen the first one in a darn while, which increased the enjoyment.

A fanfic series I have planned has a main cast that composes of characters from the Heisei era, though ones from other eras will appear as well.

I also love some of the oldschool Godzilla movies, especially the original with Dr. Serizawa. Though some of the old ones I find a little boring. But hey, I always respect the Big G. For some reason the oldschool Gamera movies don't really do it for me, but I do love 90s Gams, and in general he's a class act. He's one great turtle!
I need to rewatch the Showa Godzilla movies. It's been a while.

I love to watch the Showa Gamera movies so I could imagine how they could be reimagined in a modern context. I also recommend Gamera the Brave. It's a kids movie, but it's pretty good and was directed by Ryuta Tasaki.

There's going to be another Godzilla movie in 2012 so he'll be back sooner than you think!
I've heard they are going to be pretty faithful to the original material. I wonder if there would be any other monsters in the movie and if so, whether they would be old monsters or new ones.

BTW, did you guys know that Godzilla vs. Megalon and Destroy All Monsters is going to get DVD and Blu-ray treatment by Media Blasters? There's no official word from Media Blasters on this but there should be official word from them soon.
I still have the VHS tapes for both. I don't know about buying DVDs of all the movies. Money and all.
 
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The Analyzer

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Thread bump!

Gamera's wikipedia article notes "Lately, a new Gamera film has been talked about for 2012 and will be in 3D."

We all know wikipedia's dubious reputation and all, so can someone on there ask for source citation?
 

Burkion

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On the subject of Showa Gamera, I'd just like to note that the original Ultraman and UltraSeven series had equal if not superior monster costumes, despite being older AND made on less of a budget (...maybe)

........chew on that, terrible terrible Gamera movies....



AKA I'm not the biggest fan of old school Gamera. Except Gyaos. I love Gyaos.
 
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