Den-O: Why the criticism?

[ClimaxHeroDen-O]

Im not holding on to the fact the Linear Form uses a weapon. I'm holding on to the fact that people say that Linear Form is Ryoutarou fighting by himself. Den-O Riders who fight by themselves is Shin Den-O and Altair Zeronos. Also I find it insulting personally that in Decade, Den-O's Ultimate form is Linear and then in the upcoming movies and the HBV they come to their senses and change it the Chou Climax which also isn't anything special. So bascially I don't like Linear Form Den-O because It like what the mod Ryoutarou said, It's a powered up Plat Form and Chou Climax Den-O is just Climax Den-O with Sieg. I honeslty think they should've stuck with normal Climax Den-O.

in the most literal sense, Liner Form IS Ryotaro fighting by himself. also, stat wise, it's Den-O's fastest form, hich is well fitting the train motif. the DenKamen Sword just happens to let him talk to the Taros, it's still his own body, totally unpossessed. and in Saraba Den-O: Final Countdown, he fought as Liner Form completely unassisted, and fought well, too.

and for the record, it's LINER Form, as in DenLiner, not "Linear"

also, in the HBV, Den-O's ultimate is Liner Form, becuase Decade Complete Form uses all the in-series final forms, and chronologically, Liner is Den-O's Final Form

 

[Black Fang]

^ Which is something I never really liked. Liner Form would be better considered as "the" Den-O form since it's Ryo's alone. It was stupid how Tsukasa could take the form of a Rider form than needed someone possessing you to achieve it. Climax should have been placed under the "final/ultimate" category.

 

[ClimaxHeroDen-O]

^ Which is something I never really liked. Liner Form would be better considered as "the" Den-O form since it's Ryo's alone. It was stupid how Tsukasa could take the form of a Rider form than needed someone possessing you to achieve it. Climax should have been placed under the "final/ultimate" category.

well you don't like a lot of things. you're like Simon Cowell, way too quick to criticize something, and way too eager to do so

 

[DeMize]

well you don't like a lot of things. you're like Simon Cowell, way too quick to criticize something, and way too eager to do so

lets not go to personal attacks guys c'mon. fang just stated his opinion just like u stated yours, no need to get personal. :thumbs:

 

[ClimaxEmperor21]

in the most literal sense, Liner Form IS Ryotaro fighting by himself. also, stat wise, it's Den-O's fastest form, hich is well fitting the train motif. the DenKamen Sword just happens to let him talk to the Taros, it's still his own body, totally unpossessed. and in Saraba Den-O: Final Countdown, he fought as Liner Form completely unassisted, and fought well, too.

and for the record, it's LINER Form, as in DenLiner, not "Linear"

also, in the HBV, Den-O's ultimate is Liner Form, becuase Decade Complete Form uses all the in-series final forms, and chronologically, Liner is Den-O's Final Form

My mistake. It seems that Chou Den-O Teams with Decade in the upcoming Movie Taisen. As for the rest...Using Saraba Den-O as an argument to prove I'm wrong isn't a very good move. Because He didn't fight Kamen Rider Yuuki alone. Ryoutarou Liner Form was assisted by Momotaros-Sword Form and at the Climax, Koutarou nailed the final Rider Kick with the help of both lead Den-O. And from Momo's mouth himself. Ryoutarou still can't and still hasn't beaten an Imagin all by himself And while he got Liner Form, So what does that tell you? Just because Ryoutarou isn't possessed by an imagin doesn't mean he's fighting without them. The DenKamen Sword shows that it's not only a gateway to talk to them it also contains a small fragment of power between the four of them and the Denliner. And like I said when he puts down the sword he still loses. What my argument proves is that Nogami Ryoutarou even in his supposedly stand alone Liner Form, still cannot beat and evil imagin without the help or contact of any of the Taros Imagin within a 20 mile radius.

 

[Chronotia Archzenom]

in the most literal sense, Liner Form IS Ryotaro fighting by himself. also, stat wise, it's Den-O's fastest form, hich is well fitting the train motif. the DenKamen Sword just happens to let him talk to the Taros, it's still his own body, totally unpossessed. and in Saraba Den-O: Final Countdown, he fought as Liner Form completely unassisted, and fought well, too.

and for the record, it's LINER Form, as in DenLiner, not "Linear"

also, in the HBV, Den-O's ultimate is Liner Form, becuase Decade Complete Form uses all the in-series final forms, and chronologically, Liner is Den-O's Final Form

But still weak. That is why I somehow agree with Keith for having a Kamen Rider in terms of personality in the fighting category. He could get possessed but he should've controlled an Imajin inside his body as well.

^ Which is something I never really liked. Liner Form would be better considered as "the" Den-O form since it's Ryo's alone. It was stupid how Tsukasa could take the form of a Rider form than needed someone possessing you to achieve it. Climax should have been placed under the "final/ultimate" category.

My mistake. It seems that Chou Den-O Teams with Decade in the upcoming Movie Taisen. As for the rest...Using Saraba Den-O as an argument to prove I'm wrong isn't a very good move. Because He didn't fight Kamen Rider Yuuki alone. Ryoutarou Liner Form was assisted by Momotaros-Sword Form and at the Climax, Koutarou nailed the final Rider Kick with the help of both lead Den-O. And from Momo's mouth himself. Ryoutarou still can't and still hasn't beaten an Imagin all by himself And while he got Liner Form, So what does that tell you? Just because Ryoutarou isn't possessed by an imagin doesn't mean he's fighting without them. The DenKamen Sword shows that it's not only a gateway to talk to them it also contains a small fragment of power between the four of them and the Denliner. And like I said when he puts down the sword he still loses. What my argument proves is that Nogami Ryoutarou even in his supposedly stand alone Liner Form, still cannot beat and evil imagin without the help or contact of any of the Taros Imagin within a 20 mile radius.

Agreed! :castlerock::buttrock:

 

[ClimaxHeroDen-O]

My mistake. It seems that Chou Den-O Teams with Decade in the upcoming Movie Taisen. As for the rest...Using Saraba Den-O as an argument to prove I'm wrong isn't a very good move. Because He didn't fight Kamen Rider Yuuki alone. Ryoutarou Liner Form was assisted by Momotaros-Sword Form and at the Climax, Koutarou nailed the final Rider Kick with the help of both lead Den-O. And from Momo's mouth himself. Ryoutarou still can't and still hasn't beaten an Imagin all by himself And while he got Liner Form, So what does that tell you? Just because Ryoutarou isn't possessed by an imagin doesn't mean he's fighting without them. The DenKamen Sword shows that it's not only a gateway to talk to them it also contains a small fragment of power between the four of them and the Denliner. And like I said when he puts down the sword he still loses. What my argument proves is that Nogami Ryoutarou even in his supposedly stand alone Liner Form, still cannot beat and evil imagin without the help or contact of any of the Taros Imagin within a 20 mile radius.

well what about all the Imagin he beat using Liner Forms finishers? those absolutely count. Liner Form isn't the final form for nothing. Liner Form channels the power of the DenLiner, which, next to the KingLiner, is the strongest thing in Den-O's arsenal, meaning it's finishers are the strongest out of any of them. when Ryo got Liner Form, it let him show what he'd learned from the Taros by emulating their fighting styles to defeat Imagin alone. to be able to do that proves Liner beign worthy of it's position. and when I referred to Final Countdown, I was talking about when the Den-O's and Zeronos were fighting the Imagin army, which was where it can be assumed that Liner Form beat at least a few Imagin before going after Yu-Ki

 

[Kamen_Sentai]

gone for 2 days, new topics to talk about.

My mistake. It seems that Chou Den-O Teams with Decade in the upcoming Movie Taisen. As for the rest...Using Saraba Den-O as an argument to prove I'm wrong isn't a very good move. Because He didn't fight Kamen Rider Yuuki alone. Ryoutarou Liner Form was assisted by Momotaros-Sword Form and at the Climax, Koutarou nailed the final Rider Kick with the help of both lead Den-O. And from Momo's mouth himself. Ryoutarou still can't and still hasn't beaten an Imagin all by himself And while he got Liner Form, So what does that tell you? Just because Ryoutarou isn't possessed by an imagin doesn't mean he's fighting without them. The DenKamen Sword shows that it's not only a gateway to talk to them it also contains a small fragment of power between the four of them and the Denliner. And like I said when he puts down the sword he still loses. What my argument proves is that Nogami Ryoutarou even in his supposedly stand alone Liner Form, still cannot beat and evil imagin without the help or contact of any of the Taros Imagin within a 20 mile radius.

NAH...not even close

well what about all the Imagin he beat using Liner Forms finishers? those absolutely count. Liner Form isn't the final form for nothing. Liner Form channels the power of the DenLiner, which, next to the KingLiner, is the strongest thing in Den-O's arsenal, meaning it's finishers are the strongest out of any of them. when Ryo got Liner Form, it let him show what he'd learned from the Taros by emulating their fighting styles to defeat Imagin alone. to be able to do that proves Liner beign worthy of it's position. and when I referred to Final Countdown, I was talking about when the Den-O's and Zeronos were fighting the Imagin army, which was where it can be assumed that Liner Form beat at least a few Imagin before going after Yu-Ki

QFT:castlerock:, and agreed:thumbs:

 

[ClimaxEmperor21]

NAH...not even close

How in the hell is that not even close? Please explain.

well what about all the Imagin he beat using Liner Forms finishers? those absolutely count. Liner Form isn't the final form for nothing. Liner Form channels the power of the DenLiner, which, next to the KingLiner, is the strongest thing in Den-O's arsenal, meaning it's finishers are the strongest out of any of them. when Ryo got Liner Form, it let him show what he'd learned from the Taros by emulating their fighting styles to defeat Imagin alone. to be able to do that proves Liner beign worthy of it's position. and when I referred to Final Countdown, I was talking about when the Den-O's and Zeronos were fighting the Imagin army, which was where it can be assumed that Liner Form beat at least a few Imagin before going after Yu-Ki

Funny I was also talking about that scene in Saraba Den-O as well and the keyword in your post is "Assumed" It was assumed that he destoyed a few imagins but looking closely it's not proven. Sure he landed a few hits on the imagin but that's no different then epsiode 40 or so of Den-O where Yuuto came back and Plat form Den-O landed small hits on the Imagin before going Climax Form. Most people like to sugarcoat Liner Form as Ryoutarou fighitng by himself. But you have to stop and examine the clues.

1) The DenKamen Sword. Was created by the Taros Imagin and Powered By the Taros imagin thus it's swifting function. Meaning he's fighting with the help of the Imagin. And I cannot Stress the clear contradicting flaw of Liner Form aka Episode 43 of Kamen Rider Den-O. After Hearing that Momo-tachi will disappear if they help fight with Ryoutarou He puts down the sword and tries fighting by himself contrary to what most people thought he was doing as Liner Form.

2) If you played or borrowed or seen Kamen Rider Climax Heroes Den-O's special is the Densha Giri. But the evidence in this one is what he say before he does the attack "minna ikuyo" Meaning Everyone Let's Go. Showing that once again even as Liner Form he is still fighting with the imagin.

3) The only reason why people say Liner Form is Den-O's ultimate form is because of the annual track mentality that if a Kamen Rider becomes a new form and always uses it towards the end of the show that's the new form. But even Toei themselves seem to disagree. Because Not only is Liner Form Not Den-O's Ultimate (I'm gonna say this like a million times) It's not Ryou fighting by himself

4) Liner Form connected with Decade in the Shinkenger world but that doesn't mean it's the ultimate. But Toei takes control of what is truly the strongest. In terms of Decade only 2 riders change to their strongest and current ultimate forms: Kuuga and Den-O. Kuuga went rising ultimate in All Rider and the Decade Finale thus Toei made Kuuga's true Ultimate form. Den-O under different circumstances being the Chou Den-O movie exceed the strength of the supposedly stand alone Liner Form and Toei made Decade Ultimate Form Ride with Den-O Chou Den-O in the upcoming movie. Since you wanna use rider movies as evidence.

Maybe I'll make it easier on the both of us. I'll drop this argument once and for all if you can show concreate evidence in where Nogami Ryoutarou Defeated one imagin just one. I mean an evil imagin blew up and was destroyed without the imagin Taros involved. I mean show me a scene in where Ryoutarou won a fight with the imagin in the secene not Imagin voices or Imagin faces.

 

[Kamen_Sentai]

How in the hell is that not even close? Please explain.

I don't have to. Knight_Ixa will do it. IN FACT, he already did it. so...WHY would I explain something he already wrote? we will be going again and again with this same thing and never finish the conversation between Den-O haters and people who enjoyed Den-O. so I will just leave it at that.

and this, besides the fact that he became a badass. you only see the faces of the taros. he controlled them. the sword is to control their power and he demonstrated that.

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