Zyuden Sentai Kyoryuger EP 10 - "Zandar! Gold's Return!"

[Undrave]

It's a pretty awesomely stupid pun in Japanese. It combines zan (ざん), which can mean beheading or decapitation, with the way "thunder" is written in katakana (サンダー). So you get the Zandar, or the sword that beheads you with thunderbolts.

Nice! Thanks for the explanation.

 

[asunder]

Anyone know if the ratings for kyoryu have improved from the first couple of episodes?

 

[ClimaxHeroDen-O]

It's a pretty awesomely stupid pun in Japanese. It combines zan (ざん), which can mean beheading or decapitation, with the way "thunder" is written in katakana (サンダー). So you get the Zandar, or the sword that beheads you with thunderbolts.

not exactly. while behead is one meaning of the kanji zan, it's usually translated as "cut", so he whole thing would be "cutting thunder", which could mean a sword that can even cut thunder

 

[NateRiver]

Lynxara's version sounds cooler.

 

[KingRanger]

Lynxara's version sounds cooler.

And makes a lot more sense considering what the move and such looks like in show.

 

[Lynxara]

not exactly. while behead is one meaning of the kanji zan, it's usually translated as "cut", so he whole thing would be "cutting thunder", which could mean a sword that can even cut thunder

I'm thinking you're interpreting the zandar as a play on 斬鉄剣 (zantetsuken)? I can see why you'd do that, but I don't think it matches up with how Utsusemimaru's sword functions very well. We see it shooting lightning bolts and shocking people constantly, so thunder is clearly a literal property of the sword itself, not a figurative descriptor of the sword's greatness.

"Zan" by itself is often translated as "cut" for editorial reasons, not linguistic ones. "Zan" has a tendency to show up in situations where a long English word like "beheading" or "decapitation" would be really hard to read. Cut is usually substituted because it's very short and can be read easily in a lot of different contexts. If you simply read the "zan" kanji, its meanings have no direct relationship to cutting. The kanji's meaning refers to beheading and killing pretty directly. This is the same kanji used to write 斬る, or "kiru," which means "to kill another human being" and connotes doing so with a sword, knife, or other bladed weapon.

Now, since 斬 is a kanji that pretty directly alludes to killing somebody with a sword, it certainly appears as part of some verbs that you could translate as "cutting" in English. But these verbs usually have violent connotations, and refer in some specific way to using blades to hurt or kill someone (or something). "Cut" in English is a more basic word and doesn't automatically connote violence in quite the same way (unlike, say, "stab" or "rip").

 

[Loghorn]

"Eighth!" said Kaoru, as she nudged him sharply aside

True, but most of the time, she wasn't in battle.

 

[Black Fang]

Kyoryuger 10:

- ... Is Amy's foot trick supposed to be funny? If she was so dextrous why didn't she untie Souji earlier? Why hem and haw about it like this? This isn't a Disney tween sitcom.

- Follow the blue bouncing ball? :shakefist

- Did Candelira and Luckyuro really think Souji ran away? It feels like the younger the show caters to, the more gullible villains get. Any other villain would have increased his guard and looked around.

- Pteradeinoh even rips off GaoHunter with its "Evil" and "Justice" modes.

- Why would Utsusemimaru say "Brave In" when he's from a time before random English wording? >.>

- Kakuranger-style effects?

- "Finally six Kyoryugers"? It's only been 10 episodes!

This show feels like recaps of other Sentais all strung together. Or as though it has a really short run and wants to cram in as much as possible early on.

 

[Hell Kaiser Andy]

Well Daigo got "Brave In" from Torin. And Torin 'recruited' Utsusemimaru so it's not unthinkable that Torin told him "This is the phrase you will need to transform".

 

[ClimaxHeroDen-O]

I'm thinking you're interpreting the zandar as a play on 斬鉄剣 (zantetsuken)? I can see why you'd do that, but I don't think it matches up with how Utsusemimaru's sword functions very well. We see it shooting lightning bolts and shocking people constantly, so thunder is clearly a literal property of the sword itself, not a figurative descriptor of the sword's greatness.

"Zan" by itself is often translated as "cut" for editorial reasons, not linguistic ones. "Zan" has a tendency to show up in situations where a long English word like "beheading" or "decapitation" would be really hard to read. Cut is usually substituted because it's very short and can be read easily in a lot of different contexts. If you simply read the "zan" kanji, its meanings have no direct relationship to cutting. The kanji's meaning refers to beheading and killing pretty directly. This is the same kanji used to write 斬る, or "kiru," which means "to kill another human being" and connotes doing so with a sword, knife, or other bladed weapon.

Now, since 斬 is a kanji that pretty directly alludes to killing somebody with a sword, it certainly appears as part of some verbs that you could translate as "cutting" in English. But these verbs usually have violent connotations, and refer in some specific way to using blades to hurt or kill someone (or something). "Cut" in English is a more basic word and doesn't automatically connote violence in quite the same way (unlike, say, "stab" or "rip").

I've never heard of Zantetsuken before, but anoother interpretation I had was thunder that cuts in two. I just disagree with the whole "beheading" thing because KyoryuGold doesn't actually behead his foes, and furthermore, he usually doesn't even kill foes directly with his sword, as his Raiden Zankou hits them with lightning in the shape of the sword's name, accompanied by the vocalized name.

another way to look at it is by dissecting the whole thing. "zandar" is technically a made up word that rhymes with thunder when both are spelled out in katakana (zandaa sandaa). I think it's possible to take apart "zandar" as "Zan da" (as in "cutting" or "killing"), and then you get "Zan da thunder"

if you think of the sword's shout of "Zandar Thunder!" for the Raiden Zankou as a form of thunder, since thunder is the sound that accompanies lightning, then perhaps the sword's name could be interpreted as simply "Killing Thunder"