Why doesn't Funimation dub Kamen Rider/SS

from tv nihon's front page... the second to the last paragraph sums it up

http://diaxiann.tumblr.com/post/17019380617/why-no-one-gives-a-****-about-you-pirating-toku-and

There was another thread partially about how wrong that blog post is.
For one thing, it's never proven that TV-Nihon were ever contacted by anybody to remove their upload of KR The First. TV-N have a practice of removing licensed shows anyway.

And what does he mean by "It’s something intrinsically and culturally important to Asia"? It's not as if dudes fighting evil in colorful costumes is an Asian concept. Would he also say that Doctor Who won't get shown outside of Europe?
 
no matter what reasoning you come up, hardcore fans would never see any dubbed or subbed sentai or rider done legitimately... unless the world turns the other way around...

I'm a hardcore fan and I would literally jump at the chance to own officially licensed dubbed and subbed Kamen Rider, Super Sentai, etc... DVDs. So maybe you should speak for yourself and not put words in my mouth.

Thats why I started this thread is for that reason. One of the reasons i thought about it is that Funimation has tapped into a brilliant concept, using Voice Actors instead of Traditional actors for dubbing. Once again watch the clips in the first post of this thread, they're damn good. Voice actors get the tone, emotion, and damn near everything else dead on.

Plus including a well done dub, along with accurate subs would make the series more accessible because despite what you may believe there are still people who don't watch things with subtitles, plus i love having a show on as background noise when I'm say, packing for a trip. Unless its a series that i have watched at least 2 to 3 times, theres no way i can follow along, so to even have a dub as an option would be a good idea.

And why wouldn't Saban be willing to do it? It doesn't have to be distributed to retail stores, they could just sell them online as part of a hypothetical "older collectors area" of a Saban Brands online store, Funimation's online store, and maybe even sold at a few specialty stores, like stuff from mattycollector. It could be a Saban/Toei/Funimation collaboration. I think its a damn good idea, and it would help Saban/Toei make more moneyz, and would reenforce to Toei that there is a legitimate market for Toku in the west.
 
Tokusatsu is a Japanese originated film genre, its tied in with their culture. Its pretty straightforward. What you're describing as "guys in costumes" are collectively known as super heroes, which is a much broader international concept. common sense.

Tokusatsu means something like "special effects filming". Shows and movies with explosions, lasers, costumes and so on are not something only Japanese people make. True, mostly it referes to "special effects television and cinema from Japan", but it's not like non-Japanese can't comprehend this stuff.
 
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Tokusatsu means something like "special effects filming". Shows and movies with explosions, lasers, costumes and so on are not something only Japanese people make.

I can't tell if you're trolling or just being dense. Obviously Japan isn't the only country that films stuff with special effects, explosions, lasers, and costumes. Your definition of Toku is WAY TOO VAGUE.
 
Um, the actual word is about special effects. It's a portmanteau of tokushu satsuei. The word is literally "stuff with special effects".
 
Star Trek? Supernatural?

Anyway, as much as I'd love to see it happen, we tokusatsu fans are a niche within a niche within another niche. And we don't have the multifaceted appeal that anime and manga do, so there's no hope of there ever being the kind of boom anime got in the late 90's. There's no money in it.

Few people (not even the kids watching it) care about where Power Rangers came from and the other works that are like it.
 
Um, the actual word is about special effects. It's a portmanteau of tokushu satsuei. The word is literally "stuff with special effects".

while thats obviously true, you're definition is too vague, otherwise everything that uses special effects would be considered tokusatsu. for instance by your logic the halle berry catwoman movie is tokusatsu, it uses cg cats therefor its tokusatsu by your definition. this being obviously not true would mean that there is more to what tokusatsu is. toku are specifically SFX shows about Japanese super heroes, which are very different from western super heroes. toku has its own style of how its filmed, how its written, that is distinctly japanese.
 
Too vague? Okay then why don't you tell the rest of us what sort of definition supposedly exists for tokusatsu? Tell me, what is it that is present in all Japanese media called tokusatsu, (all of it, not just most toku) that you only see in Japan, and pretty much never in any western media, besides the country of Japan itself? Is there some sort of "rule" that shows have to follow to be considered as tokusatsu besides "Japanese show with special effects"? Is there something that shows must have to be counted as tokusatsu that I'm missing here? Would you say that Ultra Q or the original Godzilla aren't tokusatsu because they weren't about super heroes?

Yes, tokusatsu shows do have their own style, but that style is not what makes them count as tokusatsu. As far as I can tell, there isn't any real definition of tokusatsu besides the use of special effects. Or else things like Ultra Q wouldn't count. The term "tokusatsu" is applied to pretty much any sort of show with special effects. Even super hero tokusatsu can vary in style.
 
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Too vague? Okay then why don't you tell the rest of us what sort of definition supposedly exists for tokusatsu? Tell me, what is it that is present in all Japanese media called tokusatsu, (all of it, not just most toku) that you only see in Japan, and pretty much never in any western media, besides the country of Japan itself? Is there some sort of "rule" that shows have to follow to be considered as tokusatsu besides "Japanese show with special effects"? Is there something that shows must have to be counted as tokusatsu that I'm missing here? Would you say that Ultra Q or the original Godzilla aren't tokusatsu because they weren't about super heroes?

Yes, tokusatsu shows do have their own style, but that style is not what makes them count as tokusatsu. As far as I can tell, there isn't any real definition of tokusatsu besides the use of special effects. Or else things like Ultra Q wouldn't count. The term "tokusatsu" is applied to pretty much any sort of show with special effects. Even super hero tokusatsu can vary in style.

being a japanese show with special effects is the bare minimum a film/series would have to apply to, to be considered a a tokusatsu. over the years the genre has developed into a very specific kind of show, they tend to feature certain kinds of narratives, certain reoccurring character archetypes. Ultra Q is an earlier type of tokusatsu before the genre had become more focused in terms of structure, design, etc. I'm not proclaiming to be some sort of expert, but i don't think its as simple as just having special effects anymore.

Now days when a new kamen rider or super sentai gets announced, each series will obviously have certain unique twists, but overall you still in general what you're going to get.

Kamen Rider: (usually) one guy fights against some mysterious organization/ancient evil, a second rider will show up around a quarter/halfway through and they will save the world.

Super Sentai: A selection of 3-5 youths are given the power to transform/discover their true inner power or whatever to fight against some new threat coming to destroy earth. They will use giant robots that combine to fight the weekly enemies when the enemies are killed off and resurrected/use something to make themselves grow. A 6th ranger tends to show up eventually with his own robot, which can combine with the rest (most of the time) as a mid season upgrade
These are both traditional/staple formulas that are used all of the time (and other misc. toku series borrow from these long running toku series all the time) and while they are used all over the world they are still associated with Japan.

When Sentai was brought to America and turned into Power Rangers, it was not the fact that it was a live action show with special effects that made it different from everything else on TV. Its because most people had not seen anything like Sentai before. Yes the series had been Americanized, but the unique Japanese structure/design/filming/effects(applying to the Japanese footage)/and costumes were still there. It was a unique way of doing things that because of earlier imported Toku such as Ultraman and Godzilla, registered immediately as Japanese in peoples minds therefor cementing things like fights with guys in rubber monster suits in the middle of model cities as something Japanese film makers did more often, which they did as the Japanese took components that were already being used and made the Toku genre, which has become immediately iconic and recognizable. Once again: yes, tokusatsu are special effects shows from Japan, BUT tokusatsu series/film have a distinctive and iconic style that produces a one of a kind final product. Not only did Japan pioneer the genre, they also still do it better than anyone else. A number of studios world wide have tried to make their own Toku, and no one even comes close, there has to be more to it than just adding special effects to a show, i refuse to believe that deep down its that simple.
 
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