Why doesn't Funimation dub Kamen Rider/SS

LaZerwolfX

Henshin a Go-Go!!
So recently I saw the Funimation releases of DROP and GOEMON and i was BLOWN AWAY! Normally when someone tells me to watch a japanese movie dubbed I always think of the godzilla dubs and the like, but these were outstanding!! and then i had an idea.

Funimation could totally dub Toku series. I mean they're great at it, and i don't think it would be too much of a stretch for anime VAs to do it . Not to mention Funimations roster of talent is at an all time high. I don't know about you guys but I think that could be an awesome way to get legitimate licensed copies of toku over here.

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Bigdog

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Sentai is owned by Saban while Kamen Rider might be as well, adapted as Power Rangers yearly and ____Rider possibly in the future?

If Saban were to allow Funimation to release them , it would be as
1. The Zyu-Kaku trilogy after they released MMPR.
2. Black/RX.
3. Subbed option with dub.
4. Why no B-Fighter duo, Metalder, Shaider, and Spielvan as well?

I wouldn't expect anything else really prior unless there was a demand from the Gokai adapt, but expect those to be the first released.

I believe if these were dubbed/subbed releases they'd generate a ton of interest into Toku and how different it was compared to the shows in their childhood. Look at all the nostalgia for Voltron.

They still need a high budget remake of MMPR for the silver screen to set the 90's nostalgia off.
 

kibapower

Lurker
Saban has both rights but won't get them out for few reasons

1. Too much violent content for the U.S market to mix up with the established adaptation. We don't need complaints if kids see Prince Dex stabbing monsters to death. Same goes for marketing any unadapted series.
2. Dubbed/subbed live action toku rarely does well in the U.S market, hence why Ultraman isn't big now and why we got MMPR instead of dubbed Bioman or Shinkenger. Power Rangers is Toei's main and only toku export for that reason.
 
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Bigdog

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Saban has both rights but won't get them out for few reasons

1. Too much violent content for the U.S market to mix up with the established adaptation. We don't need complaints if kids see Prince Dex stabbing monsters to death. Same goes for marketing any unadapted series.
2. Dubbed/subbed live action toku rarely does well in the U.S market, hence why Ultraman isn't big now and why we got MMPR instead of dubbed Bioman or Shinkenger. Power Rangers is Toei's main and only toku export for that reason.

1. MMPR is old. Do you think people other than the hardcore audience would care about the Japanese versions of the shows? Golion and Dairugger were hanging on the shelves for long periods of time while I had to buy "The First" from the site. Just put the label on there "Uncut and Uncensored" like they do with anime and seeing actors who look NOTHING like ours, they'll just put it down and walk away. If they pick it up , it's their problem. Or are people too socialist to think?

2. Anime doesn't do well either in America going by this same logic, and they have many releases online and on the shelves. So if it's targeted towards the fans and older viewers, why worry? The main reason why Ultraman is big now is because there are NO SERIES released here in the present. Can't judge how something can fail if it hasn't been tried and promoted in the market can you? I agree TIGA flunked, but that one was shafted by the beginning like KRDK. If they can promote **** and make it buyable, so you can with anything.
 
1. MMPR is old. Do you think people other than the hardcore audience would care about the Japanese versions of the shows? Golion and Dairugger were hanging on the shelves for long periods of time while I had to buy "The First" from the site. Just put the label on there "Uncut and Uncensored" like they do with anime and seeing actors who look NOTHING like ours, they'll just put it down and walk away. If they pick it up , it's their problem. Or are people too socialist to think?

2. Anime doesn't do well either in America going by this same logic, and they have many releases online and on the shelves. So if it's targeted towards the fans and older viewers, why worry? The main reason why Ultraman is big now is because there are NO SERIES released here in the present. Can't judge how something can fail if it hasn't been tried and promoted in the market can you? I agree TIGA flunked, but that one was shafted by the beginning like KRDK. If they can promote **** and make it buyable, so you can with anything.

1. The "hardcore audience " isn't big enough to make a profit off of.

2.wut.
 

kibapower

Lurker
1. MMPR is old. Do you think people other than the hardcore audience would care about the Japanese versions of the shows?
Exactly, there isn't many who would eagerly watch this stuff which may explain why any legit toku here are at bargin bins, we're not that profitable. And yes, complaints are very possible with sucn an association, it's why Saban's Masked Rider was so dumbed down.

Also, anime is more adaptable to dubbing, hence Funimation's existance. Can't say as much for live-action tv or movies which agains explains why PR is here instead of a straight dub like in other parts of the world. Ultraman has had many chances to catch on prior to Tiga but just didn't. KRDK by itself didn't catch on with its audience very much and catered more to HJU fandom then it did to the average child. You can't constantly promote something if the audience isn't interested, the bit of plastic BOA wasted that year is still available in the clearance section.
 
I honestly believe that if Saban (or hell...even Toei themselves) streamed kamen rider or sentai subbed...they would get views.
That is how most anime is viewed these days, so I think toku could do well like that.
 

Psyga

Member
I would honestly like to hear how they would dub the opening/ending and battle themes. Fourze and Den-O could work out great with funimation, Go-Onger aswell. I'm not excluding the others, it's just that these stick out to me when I think of some series that feel like animes already.
 

Barashin

Lurker
Why would you want funimation dubbing sentai anyways? Saban build Power Rangers from the bottom up. It's an american pop culture, to be dubbing it wouldn't make any sense at this point, and dubbing Kamen Rider would be to weird for the american audience! Hence Ultraman Tiga!
 

Bigdog

New Member
Exactly, there isn't many who would eagerly watch this stuff which may explain why any legit toku here are at bargin bins, we're not that profitable. And yes, complaints are very possible with sucn an association, it's why Saban's Masked Rider was so dumbed down.

Also, anime is more adaptable to dubbing, hence Funimation's existance. Can't say as much for live-action tv or movies which agains explains why PR is here instead of a straight dub like in other parts of the world. Ultraman has had many chances to catch on prior to Tiga but just didn't. KRDK by itself didn't catch on with its audience very much and catered more to HJU fandom then it did to the average child. You can't constantly promote something if the audience isn't interested, the bit of plastic BOA wasted that year is still available in the clearance section.
Why not do limited runs of the core series important to the fanbase like the three Sentai made into MMPR and start from there? If you know you are only going to make a certain amount, why not have subbed sets like this?

If they were dubbed , what would justify the work? Would it be for an online viewing or perhaps television? I'm not sure it would be worth it for FUNI to put all their efforts in dubbing a Sentai or Rider series for the internet unless we are talking about throwing it on Hulu and Netflix and other profiteering formats.


I honestly believe that if Saban (or hell...even Toei themselves) streamed kamen rider or sentai subbed...they would get views.
That is how most anime is viewed these days, so I think toku could do well like that.

Exactly. Toku would be the bomb online.

1. The "hardcore audience " isn't big enough to make a profit off of.

2.wut.

!.Voltron's fanbase is like ours. Small , yet kicking. If they can get their component series of Golion and Dairugger XV to be released....let me punch myself in the face for this. WEP bought the rights to their source series directly. But as it goes, they partnered with Media Blasters and released them in limited releases.

2. I meant not popular.Serious fail lol.

I would honestly like to hear how they would dub the opening/ending and battle themes. Fourze and Den-O could work out great with funimation, Go-Onger aswell. I'm not excluding the others, it's just that these stick out to me when I think of some series that feel like animes already.

LEt's not forget OOO, Faiz (Which is Guyver pretty much), Hibiki ,Shinkenger and Ryuki.


Why would you want funimation dubbing sentai anyways? Saban build Power Rangers from the bottom up. It's an american pop culture, to be dubbing it wouldn't make any sense at this point, and dubbing Kamen Rider would be to weird for the american audience! Hence Ultraman Tiga!

They redubbed Dragonball Z and it was popular culture at that point so why not dub Sentai or the Riders. Tiga only failed because it was going to fail because of 4Kids.
 

LaZerwolfX

Henshin a Go-Go!!
Why would you want funimation dubbing sentai anyways? Saban build Power Rangers from the bottom up. It's an american pop culture, to be dubbing it wouldn't make any sense at this point, and dubbing Kamen Rider would be to weird for the american audience! Hence Ultraman Tiga!

Did you even watch the videos at the top the quality of dubbing is fantastic! And Power Rangers has nothing to do with the point I'm trying to make. With all of the SOPA, PIPA, and ACTA bullshit going on toku will be more difficult to get ahold of especially the older stuff but if they sold subbed and/or dubbed dvds online/in retail then it wouldn't matter. I'm just seeing it as a way to get legal, licensed, quality toku. And the reason Ultraman Tiga failed is because they handled it terribly and the dub was atrocious. I'm not saying they have to show it on TV, we have PR for that, but I would LOVE some licensed toku over her other than Kamen Rider: The First.
 

Barashin

Lurker
They redubbed Dragonball Z and it was popular culture at that point so why not dub Sentai or the Riders. Tiga only failed because it was going to fail because of 4Kids.
...uuuh...cause saban owns the rights

Did you even watch the videos at the top the quality of dubbing is fantastic! And Power Rangers has nothing to do with the point I'm trying to make. With all of the SOPA, PIPA, and ACTA bullshit going on toku will be more difficult to get ahold of especially the older stuff but if they sold subbed and/or dubbed dvds online/in retail then it wouldn't matter. I'm just seeing it as a way to get legal, licensed, quality toku. And the reason Ultraman Tiga failed is because they handled it terribly and the dub was atrocious. I'm not saying they have to show it on TV, we have PR for that, but I would LOVE some licensed toku over her other than Kamen Rider: The First.

Well that's fine an all, I'm just merely responding to your title there! I myself want to see metalder and some other metal heroes, but for kamen rider and sentai? . . . uh . . . yah . . . Cause 1, Saban owns the rights, so that right there is already an impossibility, and 2, there's some whole other mess you gottah deal with that I don't think you people are aware about, like the censorship, and the approval of the studio who own's the shows itself. If there's no audience big enough to put it out there in the US of A, then why waste there time? Kamen Rider Dragon Knight is a perfect example! The show was awesome! and it still bombed! They didn't even show the ending on the tele! It was already canceled! They had to show it online. With that said, how can anyone profit, with those kindah ratings? With that kindah support from the fans, how can anyone expect more toku contant? It's baffling to me . . .
 
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ReD-X

Member
I think the main reason why Funimation or anyone doesnt do dubs is that isnt power rangers copyrighted for all likeness also? or was that just a 90's thing
 

SamuraiEchidna

Active Member
HenshinTheKid, I could hug you right now. You're saying all the things I've been saying, and I feel exactly the same way. :198:

Because of this topic, like many others, you are going to hear people argue the same stuff about how successful Toku would do in an American market. It's the same arguments that have been made over and over again. And even if they might have a point, there is one simple fact that has all ready been made:
Saban owns the right to Super Sentai. And I am not sure who owns the right to Kamen Rider at this point, but I am sure someone does.

Until the companies that own the rights decide to release the original show or collaborate with some other company to release them, like Funimation or Media Blasters, then we just won't see it and we shouldn't expect to see it. As much as we want to, it's a pipe dream right now.

If it were me, I would be the same as Tsuburaya. I would want my Toku titles and licenses to be made available in an uncut format, no adaptations like Power Rangers. However, unlike Tsuburaya, I'd keep trying until I found a method that works, like subbed streaming episodes online or researching to see which American company would be the best to license to. But Toei has other priorities right now, and that's making a profit. I don't think they want to risk putting uncut Sentai/Rider out there if it isn't going sell. And yes, I know, it's all about how you market it, the hardcore fans will support it, I've heard it all before. But it's still risky, and I bet Toei just doesn't want to risk it right now.
 

Bad Wolf

Skreeong!
It's not enough to say there is a demand, you have to show the companies; go to panels at conventions, take pictures, flash mobs with signs, create memes. with the help of the internet we can make this happen!
 
It's not enough to say there is a demand, you have to show the companies; go to panels at conventions, take pictures, flash mobs with signs, create memes. with the help of the internet we can make this happen!

i think toei is aware there are fans in the u.s., God knows they have had to track alot down on youtube:redface2:

and again, there has to be enough people to sell this to. Just the hardcore fans wont be enough.
 

Digifiend

Member
Ugh, yeah, they managed to get a strike against me on Youtube last year for uploading the Goseiger henshin and rollcall. The same video is still up on Veoh.

As for the release of subbed Sentai or Rider, yeah, Saban owns the rights, so it ain't happening. Disney bought Sentai's rights to prevent Media Blasters releasing something.
 

LaZerwolfX

Henshin a Go-Go!!
HenshinTheKid, I could hug you right now. You're saying all the things I've been saying, and I feel exactly the same way. :198:

Because of this topic, like many others, you are going to hear people argue the same stuff about how successful Toku would do in an American market. It's the same arguments that have been made over and over again. And even if they might have a point, there is one simple fact that has all ready been made:
Saban owns the right to Super Sentai. And I am not sure who owns the right to Kamen Rider at this point, but I am sure someone does.

Until the companies that own the rights decide to release the original show or collaborate with some other company to release them, like Funimation or Media Blasters, then we just won't see it and we shouldn't expect to see it. As much as we want to, it's a pipe dream right now.

If it were me, I would be the same as Tsuburaya. I would want my Toku titles and licenses to be made available in an uncut format, no adaptations like Power Rangers. However, unlike Tsuburaya, I'd keep trying until I found a method that works, like subbed streaming episodes online or researching to see which American company would be the best to license to. But Toei has other priorities right now, and that's making a profit. I don't think they want to risk putting uncut Sentai/Rider out there if it isn't going sell. And yes, I know, it's all about how you market it, the hardcore fans will support it, I've heard it all before. But it's still risky, and I bet Toei just doesn't want to risk it right now.

Well thank you, and i totally agree with your points as well. Mostly I'm just worried that "The Man" trying to turn the internet from a cyber wild west into goddamn Auschwitz will stop me/us from getting to enjoy Toku. I still haven't seen Jetman, KR Super-1, Ultraseven and tons of other older series and now I'm worried that I won't ever get to. I just wish we could find a way to make it work for all of us.:patriotic::nipponlove:

PS *hug!*
 

Loghorn

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Ugh, yeah, they managed to get a strike against me on Youtube last year for uploading the Goseiger henshin and rollcall. The same video is still up on Veoh.

As for the release of subbed Sentai or Rider, yeah, Saban owns the rights, so it ain't happening. Disney bought Sentai's rights to prevent Media Blasters releasing something.

And I say, **** Saban &/or Disney for doing that. I would rather watch the original versions, anyway.
 

kokowaks

Member
its funny how hardcore fans try to instill "reasons" for the original sentai series to be introduced to the main US audience even though we all know saban would never do such thing... power rangers is an already established franchise backed with pop culture popularity... why would saban endanger its "baby" by introducing a similar yet different series in which its content might be "offensive" to others...

:castlerock:
 

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