ULTRAMAN SAGA - Rumors and Pictures

[knightphoenix2]

From Now On, I'm Looking FORWARD, Not Back ...

Yeah, the way I see it, Nexus fits in pretty well with the rest of Ultra Series. At first it looks rather different, but deep down, it's an Ultraman show. I mean, it's got the whole "hope is the greatest power" thing.

Perhaps.

But, it was too buried in its darkness for most of the would-be fans, at that time. Probably even for those fans' parents ...

And, even though it got better ratings when run at the originally timed slot, it still wasn't renewed or followed-up on. And, when UltraSeven X ran at its designated time-slot, it barely made it one Japanese season - and wasn't renewed.

No matter how you look at it, and as much as you may try to deny it, the darker Ultraman series just aren't popular.

Let alone successful.

And, with that, I'm done with the topic.

Let's talk about the future, instead.

Specifically, what do you think the next Ultraman movie after Saga should be about, here: http://forums.henshinjustice.net/showthread.php?p=1549864#post1549864

(Btw, is there a way to cover the link? Or, rename it something else, please?)

Or, do you think we'll get a TV series now?

And, what do you think happened to Shin Asuka after the end of his show? I think we can safely scratch out "died," from the list ...

Here: http://forums.henshinjustice.net/showthread.php?t=76105

Besides, he seems to be having a ball being back in the World of The Living, as seen here from the M-78 blog. Go to ...

http://blog.m-78.jp/

and scroll down to the fourth or fifth photo. The one with Tsuruno in uniform ...

Since the administrators and moderators have moved them elsewhere, I invite all of y'all to join me there in those places ...

 

[Reimon]

There's this Ultraman Rock Day.

 

[Daikamonohashi]

And, even though it got better ratings when run at the originally timed slot, it still wasn't renewed or followed-up on. And, when UltraSeven X ran at its designated time-slot, it barely made it one Japanese season - and wasn't renewed.

Seven X was intended as a limited series. :redface2:

 

[Juspion]

Rule of thumb for late night program, it only has 1 or 2 cour, depending on the producer's decision. 1 cour is usually 13 episodes 2 cour is usually 26. This is common knowledge for anime and Japanese series fans. You're still thinking that Japanese TV program system is the same as American aren't you? It's not, for example unlike America, Japan's top drama doesn't run for many seasons, it usually has as few as 11 episodes.

Also, late night program got revenue from DVD not rating, a reverse from the prime time program. I read in a forum that most late night anime usually get less than a low 3.0 rating. In fact, it's pretty common in Japan where prime time got high rating but low DVD sales. I never heard any late night program getting into the top rating. I do know that the successful one can sold 10,000 copies or more. Late night airing is usually considered pretty much as advertisement for it's home video. Again, do your research first. It's easy you know, just search on google and stop thinking that every theory that you have is a fact. It's not.

Some example of late night program:
Durarara (26 episodes)
Darker than Black 1st season (25 episodes)
Darker thank Black 2nd season (12 episodes)
Baccano (13 episodes)
Star Driver (25 episodes)
Berserk (25 episodes)
Sengoku Basara 1st season (12 episodes)
Garo (25 episodes)
Steins Gate (24 episodes)
Lion Maru G (13 episodes)

The only late night anime I know that has more than 26 is Death Note which has 37 episodes, and it was probably an exception because it was based on a phenomenally successful manga which has already ended. There's also Hyouge Mono with 39, but I don't know much about that one.

 

[Burkion]

Perhaps.

But, it was too buried in its darkness for most of the would-be fans, at that time. Probably even for those fans' parents ...

And, even though it got better ratings when run at the originally timed slot, it still wasn't renewed or followed-up on. And, when UltraSeven X ran at its designated time-slot, it barely made it one Japanese season - and wasn't renewed.

No matter how you look at it, and as much as you may try to deny it, the darker Ultraman series just aren't popular.

Let alone successful.

You're not very bright are you?

Jesus Christ.

OK, ignoring the fact that you're...incredibly mistaken on Seven X, as stated above me...

Darker Ultraman series aren't as popular?

Seriously?

Fucking seriously?

Ultra. Fucking. Seven.

I'm a fanboy, I admit that. I have bias, yes.

But you cannot deny that he *IS* the single most popular and enduring Ultra of them all, bar none.

There are many reasons for this-a lot of them I don't actually understand.

But he has put in more appearances in other Ultras works than the original has, such is his popularity and how well he was taken.

He's had more movies and more shows and more everything than any other Ultraman, Kamen Rider, Super Sentai-you name it.

All centered around him, himself. His universe, his story.

Which is a much darker take on the usual Ultraman fare. Incredibly so, given some things that occur.


Jesus.

Then you have Ultraman Leo, who is STILL beloved, and has one of the darkest shows of the original run-where Seven was a co star for most of it, in fact.

The only reason why Nexus didn't fair as well was because it was shafted by the channel it was on, placed in the wrong timeslot.

Even then, it made that up later on in further reshowings-and paved the way for Ultra Q Dark Fantasy and UltraSeven X.


Tiga itself could be pretty grim if you thought about some of the ways his stories worked-and how did your beloved Dyna end again?



The key difference between Max and Nexus, beyond Max's gut-check of nostalgia and famous directors, is that Max was put as a prime time show, which is what Ultraman is made to be. Nexus was not.

 

[Juspion]

Ultra Seven was the third highest rated Ultra Series as the original Ultraman and Ultra Q, IIRC. It got around 26.5 % average viewership, the original got 36,8% and Ultra Q got 32.4%. Ignoring the fact that people was probably still on an Ultraman 'high' after the airing of the original series, the fact that the darker and edgier Seven still got that much rating meaning that it was successful. BTW, it's higher than the original Kamen Rider series or Goranger.

http://forums.henshinjustice.net/showthread.php?t=53774

 

[okunohoshimichi]

Well, there weren't much choices back then. :laugh:

 

[Lynxara]

But, it was too buried in its darkness for most of the would-be fans, at that time. Probably even for those fans' parents ...

If by "buried in darkness," you mean "it was on too fucking early" or "it was on late at night," sure.

And, even though it got better ratings when run at the originally timed slot, it still wasn't renewed or followed-up on.

1. The timeslot where Nexus did better wasn't the intended one. The intended timeslot was an early evening timeslot that was highly coveted and has since been occupied mainly by anime.
2. The timeslot where it did well was in post-midnight reruns, where the comparable Ultra Q: Dark Fantasy also did fairly well prior to Nexus's production. Nexus effectively was renewed/extended in the form of Ultraseven X, which carried forward the basic approach of Dark Fantasy and Nexus.
3. Given the end of Nexus, any direct sequels to that story couldn't possibly use the same tone as the material that comprised the bulk of Nexus as a show. That was the entire point of the series. Ultraman Zero The Movie is as close to a direct sequel or extension as Nexus could ever support.

 

[Shynilyte]

Seven X was intended as a limited series. :redface2:

And the series itself was just part of a whole bunch of Ultraseven sequels that tooks the Ultraseven series as-is, and ignores Return of Ultraman or any other thing that placed Seven in continuity with other Ultra Shows.

Rule of thumb for late night program, it only has 1 or 2 cour, depending on the producer's decision. 1 cour is usually 13 episodes 2 cour is usually 26. This is common knowledge for anime and Japanese series fans. You're still thinking that Japanese TV program system is the same as American aren't you? It's not, for example unlike America, Japan's top drama doesn't run for many seasons, it usually has as few as 11 episodes.

Also, late night program got revenue from DVD not rating, a reverse from the prime time program. I read in a forum that most late night anime usually get less than a low 3.0 rating. In fact, it's pretty common in Japan where prime time got high rating but low DVD sales. I never heard any late night program getting into the top rating. I do know that the successful one can sold 10,000 copies or more. Late night airing is usually considered pretty much as advertisement for it's home video. Again, do your research first. It's easy you know, just search on google and stop thinking that every theory that you have is a fact. It's not.

Some example of late night program:
Durarara (26 episodes)
Darker than Black 1st season (25 episodes)
Darker thank Black 2nd season (12 episodes)
Baccano (13 episodes)
Star Driver (25 episodes)
Berserk (25 episodes)
Sengoku Basara 1st season (12 episodes)
Garo (25 episodes)
Steins Gate (24 episodes)
Lion Maru G (13 episodes)

The only late night anime I know that has more than 26 is Death Note which has 37 episodes, and it was probably an exception because it was based on a phenomenally successful manga which has already ended. There's also Hyouge Mono with 39, but I don't know much about that one.

Garo is another exception, isn't it? I mean, there's the second season which came much, much later.

You're not very bright are you?

Jesus Christ.

OK, ignoring the fact that you're...incredibly mistaken on Seven X, as stated above me...

Darker Ultraman series aren't as popular?

Seriously?

Fucking seriously?

Ultra. Fucking. Seven.

I'm a fanboy, I admit that. I have bias, yes.

But you cannot deny that he *IS* the single most popular and enduring Ultra of them all, bar none.

There are many reasons for this-a lot of them I don't actually understand.

But he has put in more appearances in other Ultras works than the original has, such is his popularity and how well he was taken.

He's had more movies and more shows and more everything than any other Ultraman, Kamen Rider, Super Sentai-you name it.

All centered around him, himself. His universe, his story.

Which is a much darker take on the usual Ultraman fare. Incredibly so, given some things that occur.


Jesus.

Then you have Ultraman Leo, who is STILL beloved, and has one of the darkest shows of the original run-where Seven was a co star for most of it, in fact.

The only reason why Nexus didn't fair as well was because it was shafted by the channel it was on, placed in the wrong timeslot.

Even then, it made that up later on in further reshowings-and paved the way for Ultra Q Dark Fantasy and UltraSeven X.


Tiga itself could be pretty grim if you thought about some of the ways his stories worked-and how did your beloved Dyna end again?



The key difference between Max and Nexus, beyond Max's gut-check of nostalgia and famous directors, is that Max was put as a prime time show, which is what Ultraman is made to be. Nexus was not.

Well with Leo, note that it also had lower ratings during its original run. But, seems that Leo is actually popular, considering his role in regards to Zero and how he's presented as the epitome of badass in the Darklops Gaiden. So yeah, maybe Leo wasn't successful, but he did leave some sort of lasting impression in the Ultra Series.

Ultra Seven was the third highest rated Ultra Series as the original Ultraman and Ultra Q, IIRC. It got around 26.5 % average viewership, the original got 36,8% and Ultra Q got 32.4%. Ignoring the fact that people was probably still on an Ultraman 'high' after the airing of the original series, the fact that the darker and edgier Seven still got that much rating meaning that it was successful. BTW, it's higher than the original Kamen Rider series or Goranger.

http://forums.henshinjustice.net/showthread.php?t=53774

Well, there weren't much choices back then. :laugh:

You may have a point with that "no competition" thing. Also, despite the fact that Ultraseven got such high ratings, it did not succeed in renewing the Ultra Series immediately. Return of Ultraman only had its debut years later. I guess whatever TV network it was on just had (absurdly?) higher standards for ratings back then.

 

[Juspion]

Garo is another exception, isn't it? I mean, there's the second season which came much, much later.

Nope, getting a sequel or second season for late night is not uncommon. Sengoku Basara 2nd season, Aquarion Evol, Darker Than Black Ryusei no Gemini, etc. But even it they do got a sequel, it's still going to get 1 or 2 cour. I'm not saying that they can't do a sequel, that why I wrote Darker Than Black second season as an example above. But most of the time not getting a sequel or not getting the greenlight quickly is not a sign of the show not being a success. Death Note and Hyouge Mono got a continuous run of more than 26 episodes not a sequel months or years later.

Those that got quick greenlight are usually series that are phenomenal success. Sometimes, even that doesn't guarantee it, that's why Durarara haven't got a second season despite the DVD selling like hotcakes. In the end, it's the producer's decision. Sometimes, the stories are just finished and there's no need to continue. Ultraseven X in my opinion, is one those. The small cast benefited from the short run.

Who knows? Maybe Seven X will get a second season someday. Also, Ultra Seven was originally intended to be the last series by Eiji Tsuburaya, but it's popularity prevent this. Return of Ultraman was actually aired after Eiji's death. It's there on wikipedia and IMDB .