There's No "Gay" In "Scouts"

[Fox-Chan]

Again, you're mixing up Pedophilia and Child Molestation.

For most people, there isn't any difference between the two.

Myself? I don't think it's quite fair because it's simply impossible and immoral to police a person's thoughts and attractions.

It's when they enact their attraction on a real child that it becomes a problem.

 

[kuroihikari]

That's an interesting notion, and although I do think that pedophilia is unacceptable social behavior, it does seem logical to differentiate between acting on it, and thinking about it.

A quick wiki says pedophilia is a psychological disorder: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia . On one hand, it is unfair to people with this "disorder" to be looked down upon simply because they think differently. On the other hand, I think the indignation people (including me) have against pedophilia is similar to the indignation against psychopathy and sociopathy. They're all mental disorders that if left undealt with could cause the afflicted person to do unforgiveable things.

 

[Fox-Chan]

I'm not saying they shouldn't seek treatment. In fact, they should be encouraged to do so.

Although, it seems even admitting they have the problem is enough to effectively kill any chance at a normal life.

 

[Bigdog]

I'm not saying they shouldn't seek treatment. In fact, they should be encouraged to do so.

Although, it seems even admitting they have the problem is enough to effectively kill any chance at a normal life.

Its like that with any psychological disorder to be precise and your wording was correct. It's exactly like how sociopathy and psychopathy is received, but added when it targets the youth rather than anyone. Though I got issue with it being considered a mental illness, it would be nice if it allowed those who wanted to seek help for the illness to be able to receive it, but under another name to hide the patients from the stigma.

Then again, they once believed that a sick mind could be homosexual, but now, its no longer a mental illness, but pedophilia? I don't put much stock into being an illness of any sort and in a way, it justifies to the pedophiliacs that do act that their twisted lust for younger people its fine and dandy because they are considered mentally ill. I would have to be convinced its an illness to be frank. :sly:

 

[Fox-Chan]

I'm not sure how since mental illness implies that something ISN'T fine and dandy in the brain.

 

[Bigdog]

I'm not sure how since mental illness implies that something ISN'T fine and dandy in the brain.

And then there are killers and rapists who are perfectly fine psychologically, so why not pedophiles? I know and have seen people with real mental disorders and hearing this as a "mental illness" only excuses pedophiles of their behavior. If we did this with any crime of this type [when acted out], would it lessen the consequences on the victims or to society? Of course not.

When are things fine in the brain, and what consists of the "ideal" noggin anyways? The biggest issue I have with psychiatry is it's ties with big PHarma and how they are so quick to drug anything in sight and or create new definitions of mental illness for people such a teenagers, just for the typical behavior said teens possess. Namely rebelliousness and angst. Psychology I am perfectly fine with, but the other half is highly questionable as it's a business rather than for the interests of the patients at hand.

I am case number one for this. People wanted to drug me in the first grade for having energy [Wanted to diagnose me with ADHD] , and then in high school wanted to get me tested [behind my back and without much of my consent, and under false pretenses] just so I could have the ability to do better in a few classes' final exams pretty much. Needless to say, I took advantage of it all and used it to my advantage out of spite, but the ethics remain. I don't believe in a lick of psychiatry or its process unless its for the betterment of the patient ,fully proven that there is something "wrong" , and only started by that person in question if they are able to make the decisions. [I was legally 18.] No one else should be able to set anything up or be liable to legal and or monetary damages, and needless to say, I don't talk to many of those people who did it to me or hold much respect for them.

 

[Fox-Chan]

I do know what you mean about that. The same kinds of people prescribed me Clonidine as a child to "cure" my awkward social behavior, which they thought was ADHD. In my case, the medication caused my blood pressure to drop significantly. I almost died. By the way, I didn't have ADHD after all. The morons.

Medication, in my honest opinion, should only ever be a last resort.

 

[Bigdog]

I do know what you mean about that. The same kinds of people prescribed me Clonidine as a child to "cure" my awkward social behavior, which they thought was ADHD. In my case, the medication caused my blood pressure to drop significantly. I almost died. By the way, I didn't have ADHD after all. The morons.

Medication, in my honest opinion, should only ever be a last resort.

Damn.:redface2:

That's bullshit right there. Did they get their asses chewed for it? Hope so.

Its the worst thing I have towards it. There's times where medication is necessary, but it has to be done sparingly, just like the diagnosis of the youth with mental illnesses. Otherwise, it will be like me and you are made worse from it because some self-righteous pieces of garbage decide to make your decisions without any consent. I want a serious reform.