Spring Kamen Rider Movie - Kurata Returns!

[Khaiden]

The Heisei ending is literally the same thing as the Showa ending.
Look people, you can complain about the flower thing all you want, but the truth of the matter is underneath the aesthetics the end result is basically the same.

It's not the end result that changed, it's the reasons that led to that end result that change. As was said, the message of the movie and the Showa team's motivations change.

That is still the aesthetic detail, because both endings at the end deliver the simple message that this fight that the toku fandom have set up for a long time was utter nonsense to begin with. Sure, people currently complain about how "ugh why do Riders have to fight", but look back at all the comments previous and the thing is, people have been doing this dick-swinging for a while now. Showa vs. Heisei thing didn't come out of nowhere, and people probably even today on /m/ still constantly argue about Showa vs. Heisei, let's not even get into the weird rumours surrounding the whole tally thing. All the both endings pretty much do is lip-service to whichever side one happens to be on.

Those that that don't see the big picture and go "lol kamen rider started in 2000" or those that are purists who don't even consider RX a true Kamen Rider are a vocal minority. But not even close to a majority. Very vocal. Very minor. It's not the fandom's fault at all.

/m/ is barely a representative of the fandom considering anyone can say all kinds of nonsensical stuff due to the anonimity, and it's in a place that's not even dedicated to Toku itself. The Showa and Heisei arguments they have there are as much of a running joke as anyone that says Toku has no place being discussed in /m/ at all. "Where the hell is the mecha in Amazon?! His bike doesn't count." But it's just that, a joke. I'm not saying that as if to insult it, I mean they're actually joking/trolling when they're arguing about that.

No matter who wins, it doesn't matter because neither side here is actually any better than the other. That's the conclusion.

This is why it's completely unnecessary to have them fight in the first place.

 

[Timeline15]

I thought the heisei ending made perfect sense. Hongo had been a rider for so long he had forgotten that he could be wrong about things, and that there might have been another way around the badan problem. It also made sense for the heisei riders to have the viewpoint they had, since so many of the seasons had the main characters lose someone close to them. I grant you that the division shouldn't have been as simple as showa vs heisei (indeed, wizard should have been on the showa side, after the koyomi incident) but the conflict still worked for me.]

Kamen rider taisen was the first movie that actually made me feel like there were people in some of those returning suits, particularly the showa riders, who I had never seen as anything but random suits until that point. Yeah, the flower thing was dumb (gaim should have been protecting a child or something) but it highlighted the difference between the actual people behind the masks.

 

[Ryuutaros]

Gaim should've protected a stray puppy that wandered into the battlefield. That would hit the Showa Riders (and the audience) right in the feels.

 

[CannibalS]

It's not the end result that changed, it's the reasons that led to that end result that change. As was said, the message of the movie and the Showa team's motivations change.

Not really. The whole point of the ending is the showcase of hesitation, of which side starts to have doubts on defeating one and other. Showa Riders don't actually in the Shwoa ending impart some lesson or anything, all it is is to show who has the moral high-ground.
But like I said, its only lip-service, because the ending pretty much still just says they all realize fighting is pointless.

Those that that don't see the big picture and go "lol kamen rider started in 2000" or those that are purists who don't even consider RX a true Kamen Rider are a vocal minority. But not even close to a majority. Very vocal. Very minor. It's not the fandom's fault at all.

/m/ is barely a representative of the fandom considering anyone can say all kinds of nonsensical stuff due to the anonimity, and it's in a place that's not even dedicated to Toku itself. The Showa and Heisei arguments they have there are as much of a running joke as anyone that says Toku has no place being discussed in /m/ at all. "Where the hell is the mecha in Amazon?! His bike doesn't count." But it's just that, a joke. I'm not saying that as if to insult it, I mean they're actually joking/trolling when they're arguing about that.

No, it very much isn't a joke. Showa vs. Heisei isn't some fandom in-joke sentiment you are claiming it to be. Go to any youtube video on Rider 1, and I guarantee there's a fifty-fifty chance you will see some comment along the lines of "ugh Showa Riders were so much more MANLIER blargh". Or how about all those comments of "Showa is cheesy and outdated". Even after Taisen, you still have comments here and there that go around still doing that **** essentially as another instance of fans using shallow aesthetics to establish "hard truths" essentially used to stroke their e-penis.
And let's not forget the effects of the Japanese fandom.

This is why it's completely unnecessary to have them fight in the first place.

Because that was the point of the goddamn film.

Gaim should've protected a stray puppy that wandered into the battlefield. That would hit the Showa Riders (and the audience) right in the feels.

That would result in instead of people complaining about how "the puppy thing is so cheeesyy~!" instead of "the flower thing makes no senseeee~!"

 

[145zzz]

New posters:




It looks like they reused The First helmet for Sango.
Looks like he also has a yellow scarf, so I guess he's like a modified Shocker Rider or something.
Either way, I'm guessing he's going to be at odds with the other Riders.

Ugh, I see Drive fighting Kiva in the second poster.
Oh well, three Blade Riders in the same scene makes up for it.
I hope Blade, Leangle and Chalice aren't just suits with replacement VAs cause that would kill the hype a bit.

 

[NeonZ]

So, this poster basically confirms that it's a Rider-only movie in spite of the title? Anyway, I really like Rider 3's design, aside from the shoulder pads. I wish those were rounded, not pointed. It seems like we're getting quite a few scenes with suit-only Riders, like in Rider Taisen, and they won't appear out of nowhere just for the ending unlike in SHT Z. Rider Taisen was an improvement not only in the use of the actual actors, but even the use of the suit-only ones, so I hope this movie doesn't lose that again.

There seems to be an official image with Black and Rider 1 side by side too. I'm kind of surprised that RX is seemingly being pushed aside this tme, in spite of the car connection. But I guess they would need to go out of their way to rebuil his card if they were to feature him for long. Still, they could throw it as a cg in the final battle.

I don't think Rider 3 shares anything with The First and The Next suits, aside from both being updates of the original tv show design.
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[raden238]

Rider 3 looks like a modified The First suit. It's interesting to note how in the bottom poster we have a dialogue scene with 3 and 1. Maybe they got back Hongo's VA? Also the Blade Riders are together, which further hints that they will have a significant part in the movie. Hopefully all four of them will reprise their roles. We know Garren is back but no confirmation of the other 3. Then there's Drive fighting Kiva and the Riders lining up in forces again.......How on earth do the writers keep managing to pit the Riders to fight each other every year is amazing, such great writing :laugh:.

 

[CannibalS]

Of course Drive would want to fight other Riders. He's the police authority after all.

 

[NeonZ]

Looking at the text, it seems like Rider history suddenly disappears one day and the mysterious Rider 3 appears? It even asks where are Drive and Mach alongside the other heroes. I really hope this doesn't lead to something like Let's Go Kamen Riders where everyone only appears at the end... Although even Drive and Mach disappearing initially suggests that it's going in another direction.

 

[Ryuutaros]

Of course Drive would want to fight other Riders. He's the police authority after all.

He should be arrested for fighting other Riders.

Looking at the text, it seems like Rider history suddenly disappears one day and the mysterious Rider 3 appears? It even asks where are Drive and Mach alongside the other heroes. I really hope this doesn't lead to something like Let's Go Kamen Riders where everyone only appears at the end... Although even Drive and Mach disappearing initially suggests that it's going in another direction.

I really hope it isn't like Let's Go Kamen Riders...

Also it'll be weird to see Decade, X and all the other people who returned for KRT get reverted back to suit only roles with replacement VAs. I have a feeling that Fujioka might be coming back. If he does hopefully he'll have more screen time.