Something for future superhero taisen films

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The new director is great. They haven't changed the writers yet.

I do admit that movie had slight improvement, but it still sucked.
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What is condescending is imagining that people will be attached to completely unrelated shows just due to a shared brand. It helps with initial visibility, but that's it.



But it is. V3 wasn't some random character dropped in for a special episode, it was established from much earlier in the series that it was all the same world, and then they even throw in V3 not only during the special episode all about the past Riders, but also during X's power up episode and the final arc. There wasn't this attitude that V3's presence was a crossover gimmick that had to be separated from other elements of the show.

Nowadays, we get something like Wizard's two final episodes that had nothing to do with the rest of the series. The fact that they had to move the crossover to that point, to avoid it from having any influence in Wizard's main story, just shows how differently they're treated.

Of course, back in the Showa era, there was this idea that multiple heroes reduced the value of the titular hero, which is why the number of actual crossovers is low and some shows didn't even have them (like Super-1, where they just let the show lose its timeslot and afterwards get canceled, in spite of throwing crossovers to save Skyrider just one year before that - Also, even though they had Tani from Skyrider as a supporting character, he didn't even mention anything about the previous series aside from calling Super-1 by "Kamen Rider", and might as well have been a new character).

Going back to the Avengers comparison, I don't see how you can deny that the model worked. There's no way that a standalone Avengers movie would have been the biggest super hero movie ever otherwise. Even in Japan, although it wasn't the biggest ever, it was much bigger than any of the standalone Marvel Studios movies, something that Toei just isn't able to replicate with their own crossovers (even though Toei's standalone movies beat quite a few of Marvel's there), where we've seen the opposite in fact at least once (with SHTZ, where throwing smaller series like Gavan and several Sentai to just Wizard and some cameos for the Rider side just resulted in a movie with a smaller box office than even Wizard's standalone movie).

Which I will again point out, is not something that bringing a continuity would fix, because the problem goes way deeper than mere worldbuilding but simply the general lack of any real creative vision behind new Rider shows.

That might be true because back then showa riders shows are connected to have their own canon,The early heisei shows weren't connected with each other but with the rise of rider popularity and the arrival of Neo heisei shows movie productions like Toei decided to connect the shows with their movies which is what we are seeing today.

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But that's not my focus at all. I'm bringing up Foundation X because it has been the only attempt at continuous world building so far in the recent years. If there were something else, I'd mention it too. It's not about the organization itself, but its role.

That would do and if the writers decided that foundation X are connection to shin's antagonist the foundation then they will SHin,Zo and J to be part of the importatn plot in this 'Superhero taisen film' and and not to resolve shins loose plot holes but also have a movie exclusive rider who is shin's child and will be kamen rider gaia from a visual novel.

Yeah, that's what I think too. I feel that for the execs, the best idea of a tie-up film is to see who can beat who. If I were a kid who was a Rider fan I'd probably really want to watch a movie where we can see which Rider defeats which, no holds-barred, screw the story. Unfortunately the Rider films have failed to even do that. Just leaving us with theme fights and whatnot.

You may have a good point you know it should take some good writer who can write a better story to do that in fact in fact i heard Jin Haganeya the assistant of gen urobuchi main writer of gaim wrote the screenplay of this film

That sounds terribly condescending to fans of Kamen Rider, if you mean to imply that the only reason people would stick with it is a continuity.

Yep,Looks like it. :disappoin

Well, aside from some minor elements, Guardians did have Thanos, which was directly leading from Avengers.

Yeah and i heard he is about to be the main villain in avengers infinity wars 1 and 2 movie

To be fair, that likely came just from people disliking the model of the homage episodes themselves. They had boosts for the Magiranger and Dekaranger episodes, which have some of Gokaiger's biggest numbers. It was after those two that the homage episodes performed seemingly randomly, following the weekly floating of the ratings, often with lower ratings than the previous week like you say there. Besides, this also ties into what I've been saying. The interest in the crossover gimmick itself, without world building alongside it, seems to be limited and have diminishing returns. But, when those crossovers are made relevant, you can create a self sustaining loop.

The reason it happened is because of the japanese earthquake incident which is why everyone who are part of the previous shows appear in gokaigers episodes (i think)

I'll be really surprised if one day Shin actually gets a relevant role in these crossovers movies... Even J only seems to get scenes because "giant".

Yeah if it happens when J turns giant maybe ZYuranger would help him with their mecha Daizyuzin besides the actor who played J also played Tyranno Ranger

The new director is great. They haven't changed the writers yet.

Then have a different writer to write a future superhero taisen after the GP one infact have a different writer to writer the anime superhero taisen film about crossover with Kamen rider Ichigo and nigo meeting gorangers set in the 70s and drawn in ishinomori style and maybe a different who watched all showa and heisei rider series make a better story that will stay true to the rider plot formula. (latter part i said is my opinion)

Good then, because I never said anything like that. Saying that people care about continuity isn't the same as saying that people only care about continuity at all. The Rider franchise has had decreasing ratings and box office for a few years now, and in spite of the increasingly large focus on toys, hasn't been able to reach its peak there again either. That's a fact. It's obvious that the current format has its limitations, and what I'm talking about wouldn't really destroy this format at all, just complement it.

That could be true and a word of advise focus less on the toys and focus more on the story and themes be patient take your time that is the way to get more better ratings become a cult hit.A find a suitable plot and time time to make a better superhero taisen film.

I do admit that movie had slight improvement, but it still sucked.
Two words: TRY HARDER

Yeah that's what i said about that as well.