Kamen Rider Wizard - News/Rumors/Pictures Thread Part 2

[Xtreme RX]

Yeah, but i'm sure a lot of people still count TaJaDol or PuToTyra

PuToTyra, sure. TaJaDol, no way. It's NOT a final form. It's special, but the way it is set up and debuted instantly puts it in mid-season upgrade material.

Also since we're on this subject, Fusion states falls under the same category as BuraKaWani. A purely movie exclusive form.

CJGX and Wizard Infinity Dragon are pretty much CGI finisher forms and also don't really count as a "true" final form.

Super TaToBa makes sense because it is a direct upgrade of the base form, which the final form usually is. I think not many people were happy with OOO's last form being PuToTyra, which is why they introduced Super in MEGAMAX for clarity. Also, if nothing else, PuToTyra doesn't exist anymore so...

 

[Hidden Masta]

PuToTyra no longer existing is a good point but I think you're over thinking it a little too much.

 

[Ryuutaros]

PuToTyra, sure. TaJaDol, no way. It's NOT a final form. It's special, but the way it is set up and debuted instantly puts it in mid-season upgrade material.

Also since we're on this subject, Fusion states falls under the same category as BuraKaWani. A purely movie exclusive form.

CJGX and Wizard Infinity are pretty much CGI finisher forms and also don't really count as a "true" final form.

Super TaToBa makes sense because it is a direct upgrade of the base form, which the final form usually is. I think not many people were happy with OOO's last form being PuToTyra, which is why they introduced Super in MEGAMAX for clarity. Also, if nothing else, PuToTyra doesn't exist anymore so...

What?! Kids LOVE dinosaurs! I love dinosaurs! We all love dinosaurs!



To me, TaJaDol (especially in the final epsisode) would be the ultimate form since it represents the unison of Eiji and Ankh after all they have been through. The final episode acknowledges this in the final fight.

 

[KingRanger]

TaJaDol, no way. It's NOT a final form.

I will have to disagree with your opinion here. Tajadol is the final form for that medal combination.

 

[Hidden Masta]

Sometime I wonder what's going to be the breaking point. The point where the fandom takes it too far and destroys itself. It's this argument right here.

 

[Shiba19]

CJGX and Wizard Infinity are pretty much CGI finisher forms and also don't really count as a "true" final form.

I'm going to assume you meant to say "Wizard Infinity Dragon"

 

[Kamen Rider ShinkenRed]

Didn't CJGX show up physically (admittedly sans wings) in the end of CORE right before Birth reveals he's Goto 6 months early?

 

[Twisted_Edge]

I will have to disagree with your opinion here. Tajadol is the final form for that medal combination.

Not sure if trolling either...

TaJaDol is a Combo, not a final form as in most powerfull form of that rider. That might be PuToTyra or Super TaToBa. But I like TaJaDol the most. I mean, look at it!

The reason I think those two are the final form is simple; they don't blend with the other medals.

 

[SuperOniBlue]

PuToTyra, sure. TaJaDol, no way. It's NOT a final form. It's special, but the way it is set up and debuted instantly puts it in mid-season upgrade material.

Also since we're on this subject, Fusion states falls under the same category as BuraKaWani. A purely movie exclusive form.

CJGX and Wizard Infinity are pretty much CGI finisher forms and also don't really count as a "true" final form.

Super TaToBa makes sense because it is a direct upgrade of the base form, which the final form usually is. I think not many people were happy with OOO's last form being PuToTyra, which is why they introduced Super in MEGAMAX for clarity. Also, if nothing else, PuToTyra doesn't exist anymore so...

By your own Logic, Super TaToBa should not be a final form because it's a movie exclusive upgrade.

And Wizard Infinity is totally a Final Form. The only part of it that's CG is the freaking axe and diamond Armor Infinity Dragon is just an offshoot of that form - like his Dragon Timer form. (Similar to Climax form and ChouClimax forms)

CJGX was CG during most of the time it was in the air (As are most airborn riders these days), but again is just an offshoot of the final form

TaJaDol is a debatable Final Form because it was the Form that he used in the last TV show episode, but other that that it was a Mid-Season. PuToTyra couldn't be combined with other Medals and has been used post-OOOs in a Movie, I think, but I could be imagining things.

At the very least, they used it simply in a Plot-Hole or AU fashion

 

[NeonZ]

PuToTyra couldn't be combined with other Medals and has been used post-OOOs in a Movie, I think, but I could be imagining things.

PuToTyra was used in Super Hero Taisen and Ultimatum (Director's Cut). In Super Hero Taisen, it was used by the Gokaiger though, and in Ultimatum it was paired up with Fang/Joker. When every previous Rider used their ultimate forms, W went with Cyclone Joker Gold Xtreme while OOO went with Super Tatoba.

In Megamax, when OOO recovered his medals, Putotyra wasn't shown, not even as medals, however, Eiji does state that he recovered "every medal". So, someone made a mistake there somewhere. The later movies seem to be going with OOO really recovering every medal though, not only the ones shown on screen in Megamax.

 

[billySEEDDecade]

Putotyra is definitely OOO's final form, it's just that all purple medals got destroyed at the end of the series. I don't understand why some of you doesn't like Putotyra as a final form, I personally like it.

From my understanding, the Riders that are summoned by the Rider Rings are either the original or a direct copy of the original since W and Fourze interacting with each other and Ryuki being there. That's why OOO is in Super Tatoba, since that's his current strongest form, Fourze is not in Fusion States because Fusion require Meteor and/or Nadeshiko. About the others though, maybe Kuuga is in Rising Ultimate because it's Onodera, I'm not sure about Den-O Liner doing Momotaros' pose though.

 

[Xtreme RX]

By your own Logic, Super TaToBa should not be a final form because it's a movie exclusive upgrade.

Yeah, you're right. I should have probably read that over. :sweat:

What I meant is that its a movie exclusive form that isn't final form material, more regular form. Last form they get? Yes, considering the "Ultimate form" has debuted in the show a couple months earlier. But they are no way Ultimate forms.

I'm sure most people will agree with that.

Whereas Super TaToBa DOES have the distinction of being a direct upgrade to the base form - a "Super form." It feels more like an Ultimate Form then the other movie forms, such as Rocket States and the like.

And Wizard Infinity is totally a Final Form. The only part of it that's CG is the freaking axe and diamond Armor Infinity Dragon is just an offshoot of that form - like his Dragon Timer form. (Similar to Climax form and ChouClimax forms)

Sorry, I meant Infinity Dragon. :shakefist

TaJaDol is a debatable Final Form because it was the Form that he used in the last TV show episode, but other that that it was a Mid-Season.

So people are basically saying that if 555 finished off the final boss with Axel form then that would be the debatable final form?

What?! Kids LOVE dinosaurs! I love dinosaurs! We all love dinosaurs!

This is true! But I don't know, everyone seemed to be confused with PuToTyra, wondering if it really WAS OOO final form. Which it was designed to be, but I can understand the confusion. Dinosaurs don't really have any relation to hawk, tiger, grasshopper configuration.

I think a lot of expectation for the final form is an extension of the original form - not a new motif.

 

[KingRanger]

Not sure if trolling either...

TaJaDol is a Combo, not a final form as in most powerfull form of that rider. That might be PuToTyra or Super TaToBa. But I like TaJaDol the most. I mean, look at it!

The reason I think those two are the final form is simple; they don't blend with the other medals.

Yeah because anyone who disagrees with you has to be trolling right? :redface2: ug this is why this fandom is pure **** anymore.:disappoin

 

[FleshisFlawed]

You say toe-may-toe I say toe-mah-toe. Lets call the whole fuckin thing off already.

 

[Twisted_Edge]

Yeah because anyone who disagrees with you has to be trolling right? :redface2: ug this is why this fandom is pure **** anymore.:disappoin

No. Not at all. It's HOW you posted it, not what. If you call a full combo a final form for those medals, who am I to disagree with you? 'Cause it IS true. It's just never called that in the show/translations.

Also, the poster didn't mean that, and I do expect you to know better. That's why I was unsure what to make of it. It felt you where disagreeing to disagree... But I guess that's just me.