Kamen Rider Double Rumor/Picture Thread

[Forever Knight]

I believe Accel's bike form will be a real bike and no CG. It may only use CG for scenes impossible for the real thing and when it attaches to the giant cannon.

I'm expecting full blown CGI.

Ever since Agito, a lot of people expect to see more than just one Rider. It's the same with the 6th Ranger.

Exacally.

I'm not too terribly against the idea, though I did think it was cool that we were finally getting an antagonist who wasn't a Rider, now I sorta think he's gonna get pushed to the sidelines if this new guy isn't good.

Yeah but what fun is that if he isn't a Rider. I think the only non rider character I enjoyed was Hojou from Agito.

 

[Black Fang]

So let me get this straight: Only Rider characters are fun characters. Hmm, weren't you just a month ago saying how awesome Fake Apollo Geist was? Isn't Akizuki Nobuhiko/Shadow Moon (a bit undeservedly, since he never really did anything) considered one of the great Rider characters? Is there anyone who hates Kuuga's Ichiro? Tachibana Tobei isn't cool? Hell, Amazon's Mole Beastman is a cool guy. How dare you say otherwise simply because he doesn't wear a belt and scream "Henshin!".

I guess the only cool characters are those Toei can make toys out of and get geeks to splurge money on.

 

[NeonZ]

Why are there some Rider fans so fixated on the idea of a single Rider anyway? I can understand Gundam fans, because the original series had only a single "Gundam", but Kamen Rider had multiple Riders since the first series.

The second one was brought due to a real life problem, but the decision to team them up had nothing to do with that. Eventually they even had to face "Shocker Riders". So what's up with these wishes for a lone Rider?

Look at Kuuga or Black. Although they worked just fine with a single Rider, the "lone Rider" aspect doesn't really add anything to the series. Kotaro and Yuusuke weren't somehow deeper characters than every other protagonist just because there weren't some episodes focused on other characters with transformations similar to their own.

In fact, both series, although lacking a second "rider", presented as final villains "twins" of sorts to the Rider. They didn't have the Rider name, but were clearly connected to them and even looked like Riders.

Personally, I'm not very satisfied with series presenting a single heroic character, but that's not connected only to the name itself. I am looking forward to Accel and the changes in dynamics that he'll bring, but if he had just a 1st gen Driver and were just Accel Dophant, rather than an actual Rider, I still would look forward to his debut.

 

[lazycoconut]

I think the number of Riders is less important than how well they are used in the story, but it doesn't seem likely we'll get another single-Rider show for a very long time. More Riders = more merchandise

 

[Tiger]

I like having more riders. Means they can throw more story at us sometimes. Like with Agito, you're following Agito, G3 and Gills. It's sweet!

 

[Lynxara]

I can understand Gundam fans, because the original series had only a single "Gundam", but Kamen Rider had multiple Riders since the first series.

It doesn't make any sense in Gundam, either. The RX-78 is explicitly a prototype created for mass production. It is a series of one of three prototypes and later stories detailed where the other prototypes ended up. It's later mass-produced into nifty designs like the 08th MS Team Ground Gundams and the cheaper, weaker Gundam-derived GMs. The whole point of the original Gundam, really, is that it's nothing special-- just a high-spec machine.

Look at Kuuga or Black. Although they worked just fine with a single Rider, the "lone Rider" aspect doesn't really add anything to the series.

I beg to differ. My opinion on this is that when you focus the camera on one super-powered guy, then you get a better supporting cast, better storytelling, and a deeper connection to the main guy. His powers seem more special because there aren't lots of other people who do similar things. The main guy isn't fighting other protagonists or sub-protagonists for screentime. "Just one Rider" is in fact a trait that I liked specifically about Black and Kuuga.

In fact, both series, although lacking a second "rider", presented as final villains "twins" of sorts to the Rider. They didn't have the Rider name, but were clearly connected to them and even looked like Riders.

And the point of both characters is that they really weren't Riders because they weren't heroic. They both predate the notion developed in later Heisei shows where Rider was the name given to an aesthetic, not a superhero name. Ryuki is mostly responsible for this and that's fine.

I can sorta see what you're getting at with your "What's in a name?" argument, but the name isn't what people are really concerned about. It's adding in another recurring character who may or may not ruin the show's chemistry. That's the only reason why people get concerned when the Rider name is thrown around-- we haven't had disposable Rider characters since Ryuki.

 

[Wing Saber]

Why are there some Rider fans so fixated on the idea of a single Rider anyway? I can understand Gundam fans, because the original series had only a single "Gundam", but Kamen Rider had multiple Riders since the first series.

The second one was brought due to a real life problem, but the decision to team them up had nothing to do with that. Eventually they even had to face "Shocker Riders". So what's up with these wishes for a lone Rider?

Look at Kuuga or Black. Although they worked just fine with a single Rider, the "lone Rider" aspect doesn't really add anything to the series. Kotaro and Yuusuke weren't somehow deeper characters than every other protagonist just because there weren't some episodes focused on other characters with transformations similar to their own.

In fact, both series, although lacking a second "rider", presented as final villains "twins" of sorts to the Rider. They didn't have the Rider name, but were clearly connected to them and even looked like Riders.

Personally, I'm not very satisfied with series presenting a single heroic character, but that's not connected only to the name itself. I am looking forward to Accel and the changes in dynamics that he'll bring, but if he had just a 1st gen Driver and were just Accel Dophant, rather than an actual Rider, I still would look forward to his debut.

Especially if the story requires having more than one Rider from the very beginning, for example Agito, Ryuki, & Blade.

 

[rshackleford]

my friend made this photoshop. don't really know where to post, but I'll do it here

 

[Tiger]

my friend made this photoshop. don't really know where to post, but I'll do it here

Should probably be put here: http://forums.henshinjustice.net/showthread.php?t=15557&page=160.

But nevermind, it's cool! I'm sure nobody will mind it being here for now. :loltongue:

 

[MrMonk]

I beg to differ. My opinion on this is that when you focus the camera on one super-powered guy, then you get a better supporting cast, better storytelling, and a deeper connection to the main guy. His powers seem more special because there aren't lots of other people who do similar things. The main guy isn't fighting other protagonists or sub-protagonists for screentime. "Just one Rider" is in fact a trait that I liked specifically about Black and Kuuga.

And the point of both characters is that they really weren't Riders because they weren't heroic. They both predate the notion developed in later Heisei shows where Rider was the name given to an aesthetic, not a superhero name. Ryuki is mostly responsible for this and that's fine.

I can sorta see what you're getting at with your "What's in a name?" argument, but the name isn't what people are really concerned about. It's adding in another recurring character who may or may not ruin the show's chemistry. That's the only reason why people get concerned when the Rider name is thrown around-- we haven't had disposable Rider characters since Ryuki.

Single Rider can be just as well-written as multiple Rider. For instance, in Agito and Ryuki, the multiple Riders are used to show how the main character is (theoretically) a hero. The power is a means, and the person makes the hero. I find there's nothing inherently better or worse about the concept.

And logically, Accel will be the same character whether he's 'Kamen Rider Accel' or 'Engine Soldier Accel'. There's an argument that in the Showa era, 'Kamen Rider' was a badge of honor or sacrifice that the hero took upon themselves, but some of the later ones were called 'Kamen Rider' prior to a previous Rider handing them the title.

In Double, it's already been established that 'Kamen Rider' is a generic title created by the masses to clarify something they don't quite understand. Double only takes that because they like the sound of it. It's not out there enough to have the Accel user decide the same, as apparently everyone and their brother listen to that damn radio show.