Kaijin Design Post-AgitΩ
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It's kind of the difference between the Grongi in Kuuga's actual series vs. what they are in Decade. Not to say that they are bad monsters in the Decade version but not the same vibe exactly. The designs still work but it's not the same presentation of those designs.
I think often even when the Rider suits are total Bandai bullshit, the monster designs aren't bad at all and they're still cool as a threat but you're just not getting that same level of menacing atmosphere because the show isn't really written or directed that way.
I think often even when the Rider suits are total Bandai bullshit, the monster designs aren't bad at all and they're still cool as a threat but you're just not getting that same level of menacing atmosphere because the show isn't really written or directed that way.
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ryatwo
Thank you for the Memories...
When does this happen? Or when did you feel like when they were bullshit?
Agreed it solely depends on how the show is written and directed. Like IMO Kuuga and Agito were mysterious (I'm not so sure how Faiz panned out, forgotten since I finished the series 3 years ago) and so the kaijin themselves had that mystery to them. I might be bias against these two series, cause I've been watching back-to-back lately (along with W of course) and I just took a huge liking to the designs.
Igadevil
Mr. Kamen Rider
The hero/weapon/mecha designs are generally now done by PLEX, which is basically Bandai's creative/design division. Hayase Masato (Ishinomori's understudy) or an Ishimori Pro. guy is still involved, but from what I've heard Rider designs basically start with the toy guys now. The monster designs are outsourced to freelance artists/character designers. That may or may not be indicator of quality, depending on how you look at it.
Well yeah they do represent death, still...
Nope, the guy in the group.
I can recognize those beside Bat Orphenoch, they don't really give me a big enough impact to remember them. Then again, maybe it's just cause I'd watched the series like years ago, and I only remember those really important orphenochs. I don't even recall how those MoTW Orphenochs looks like anymore. >< Gotta say, Orphenoch's not on my list of favorite monsters designs.
Smilodon
Friendship and the Cosmos.
I liked the Orphnochs. Monochrome design was very well done. But personally, the Orphnoch's dont do much. Other than the Lucky Clover, Kiba,Osada and Kaido, the other Orphnochs just are dead people running around hiding or doing whatever they want because they're dead. Some of them were hired by Murakami to do some stuff, like Bat Orphnoch, but most were just hoodlums that get angry and attack people. That's why I liked the Lucky Clover, they were Smart Brain's muscle and eliminated renegade Orphnochs.
They could've done more with some of the Orphnochs, like dealing with the fact they're dead, which they did for awhile with Kiba in the beginning, but unfortunately Kusaka came along, who is probably more of a douchebag than most of the Orphnochs.
They could've done more with some of the Orphnochs, like dealing with the fact they're dead, which they did for awhile with Kiba in the beginning, but unfortunately Kusaka came along, who is probably more of a douchebag than most of the Orphnochs.
musashi03
HEROW
@Oblivion: Hmmm... Weird, I always loved the Bat Orphenoch, he was just badass, like a regular hired gunslinger... Probably why I liked Ryuutaros / Den-O Gun Form so much since he reminded me of the former... And I did watch Faiz during the year it was aired, so it was years ago and I still remember them. :sweat:
@Smilodon: Well, yeah, but I thought the point was those dead people are still people too, like the Squid Orphenoch who didn't want to kill anyone and wanted to live a life of a human, and also Kiba and the gang. I think it is almost similar to Dopants in the sense that they are dealing with people, and not monsters who just use human forms, but Orphenochs are darker and are more in the brink of hopelessness rather than Dopants who just gets memory break'd.
And btw, just wanted to clarify that Kusaka wasn't an Orphenoch, he was just implanted Orphenoch DNA to wear the Kaixa gear... But yeah, he's the king of assholeness.
@Smilodon: Well, yeah, but I thought the point was those dead people are still people too, like the Squid Orphenoch who didn't want to kill anyone and wanted to live a life of a human, and also Kiba and the gang. I think it is almost similar to Dopants in the sense that they are dealing with people, and not monsters who just use human forms, but Orphenochs are darker and are more in the brink of hopelessness rather than Dopants who just gets memory break'd.
And btw, just wanted to clarify that Kusaka wasn't an Orphenoch, he was just implanted Orphenoch DNA to wear the Kaixa gear... But yeah, he's the king of assholeness.
Smilodon
Friendship and the Cosmos.
Yeah, I know Kusaka wasn't an Orphnoch, but he took up alot of screen time with his douchebaggy-ness. And when I said hiding, I meant the Squid. Because he hid from the Lucky Clover.
I really don't remember them ^^"
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