Decade's true purpose was....

[big_j_ny]

I thought Daishocker was one of the better ideas to come out of the show, though the fact that they weren't willing to give it the attention it needed didn't help. Had they gone about it from the get-go, with subtle hints that all the Heisei villains were secretly being united, it could have been reaaaaally good. We'd get freaky little things like the villains knowing of Riders they shouldn't. Why do guys in Blade World know about Kuuga? We'd have some Orphenochs or Worms experimenting with cybernetic augmentation and weirdo hybrid monsters. Creepy little hints here and there, building up to the big revelation that the classic villains are back. I think it would have made for a pretty awesome twist. Decade unites the Riders, Daishocker unites the villains.

As it is it's good fun, but comes in too late. Decade only has a proper reoccurring villain for the last few episodes. Narutaki's pretty much beyond help after Hibiki World, where him riding on a giant crab bitching about Decade killed any threat credibility the character had with me. He just became a joke. They could have at least done something with various big name villains running around for a few episodes and being defeated, dropping hints as to who Tsukasa is. Birugenia, Peacock Undead, General Shadow, and of course Apollo Geist...

If I were doing it, I'd have the first half of Decade concentrating on the 9 Heisei Riders and the Rider War coming in the middle, just sticking to them like in the first episode. Decade gets access to Complete Form when he has the accumulated power of the 9 other Riders, Narutaki is explained and settled, and Decade unites the main Riders and ends the whole war thing, which is all part of a bigger scheme. Daishocker's manipulating things even when they aren't onscreen.

The rest of the show is traveling around the Showa Rider worlds, meeting more Riders, with Daishocker gathering the remains of the Heisei villains (who have largely been destroyed in the first half) in preparation for something big. We find out where Decade originally came from, and it all culminates in the All Riders-type team-up finale.

But oh well, not much point in saying what I'd do, because it's already been done. :laugh:

You'd think Yonemura would learn his lesson about how to approach making a finale for a Kamen Rider series, after his poor execution of Kabuto's storyline towards the end. But it seems he hasn't, and he just made things even more foggier with the results from this movie (or movie teammup).

If some1 is gonna do another Decade movie, don't let any of the past Heisei Rider head writers touch it.....ever. They've each clearly damaged the execution of the Decade storyline as it has progressed, and we're clearly stuck with a billion more questions that are unanswered.

 

[Forever Knight]

Basically, Decade "recreated" the Heisei series and allowed possibilities for future team ups between Showa and Heisei eras.

We knew this from the get-go.

 

[kyoot]

DECADE'S/TSUKASA'S TRUE PURPOSE WAS TO BECOME THE COBRAY GORDON OF KAMEN RIDER!

 

[Chronotia Archzenom]

Yep, it's all connected, the Showa era and the Heisei era now coexist together while still mantaining their own universes.
That's the reason why the Showa riders made their triumphant return 2 years earlier, that's the reason Shocker and all the older villains made their triumphant comebacks.
They can make a team-up anytime they want now, and this is how they have opened the gates to a succesful 40th Anniversary Celebration.

The other reason, as Black Fang stated, is moneeeeeeeeeeeeeeyyy.

Both reasons are correct.

Quoted for the awesome truth and thus, THIS made a lot of sense.

I thought Daishocker was one of the better ideas to come out of the show, though the fact that they weren't willing to give it the attention it needed didn't help. Had they gone about it from the get-go, with subtle hints that all the Heisei villains were secretly being united, it could have been reaaaaally good. We'd get freaky little things like the villains knowing of Riders they shouldn't. Why do guys in Blade World know about Kuuga? We'd have some Orphenochs or Worms experimenting with cybernetic augmentation and weirdo hybrid monsters. Creepy little hints here and there, building up to the big revelation that the classic villains are back. I think it would have made for a pretty awesome twist. Decade unites the Riders, Daishocker unites the villains.

As it is it's good fun, but comes in too late. Decade only has a proper reoccurring villain for the last few episodes. Narutaki's pretty much beyond help after Hibiki World, where him riding on a giant crab bitching about Decade killed any threat credibility the character had with me. He just became a joke. They could have at least done something with various big name villains running around for a few episodes and being defeated, dropping hints as to who Tsukasa is. Birugenia, Peacock Undead, General Shadow, and of course Apollo Geist...

If I were doing it, I'd have the first half of Decade concentrating on the 9 Heisei Riders and the Rider War coming in the middle, just sticking to them like in the first episode. Decade gets access to Complete Form when he has the accumulated power of the 9 other Riders, Narutaki is explained and settled, and Decade unites the main Riders and ends the whole war thing, which is all part of a bigger scheme. Daishocker's manipulating things even when they aren't onscreen.

The rest of the show is traveling around the Showa Rider worlds, meeting more Riders, with Daishocker gathering the remains of the Heisei villains (who have largely been destroyed in the first half) in preparation for something big. We find out where Decade originally came from, and it all culminates in the All Riders-type team-up finale.

But oh well, not much point in saying what I'd do, because it's already been done. :laugh:

Exactly. Do we need to make some more? What I really wanted to see is that one you are posting and that we won't see any blatantly written episodes (minus the Black/Black RX arc).

You'd think Yonemura would learn his lesson about how to approach making a finale for a Kamen Rider series, after his poor execution of Kabuto's storyline towards the end. But it seems he hasn't, and he just made things even more foggier with the results from this movie (or movie teammup).

If some1 is gonna do another Decade movie, don't let any of the past Heisei Rider head writers touch it.....ever. They've each clearly damaged the execution of the Decade storyline as it has progressed, and we're clearly stuck with a billion more questions that are unanswered.

Hey! What about the majority of Kamen Rider Kuuga then? Any Kamen Rider show could have been better if written in a Kamen Rider Kuuga and Agito way. Sadly, any of their successors tend to suck [minus Blade and Hibiki (before the executive meddling)]. Kabuto could've been a lot better if it weren't for it's poor character development on it's titular character. That's right! Examples are these:

-Kamen Rider Ryuki, we all have heard a lot of negative things about this series as it started the official "FEMALE RIDER CURSE" that really is bad. And there! The "TIME VENT FIXES EVERYTHING CURSE" which is another bad thing that they made. And teh last but not teh least... THEY KILLED OFF THE TITULAR CHARACTER! GRRRR!!! That is so a candidate for an absolute yurusenai and thus sadly making the show to be inferior to it's adaptation for that adaptation made it's titular hero survive till the end even though he got vented for like 3 episodes but made his comeback.
Also for that, KR Ryuki should have been KR/MR Knight if that was the case then.

-The show known as Kamen Rider Kabuto turned out to be a show that should've been called "Kamen/Masked Rider Gatack" instead for Gatack is a better character than he is. Then the unavoidable plot holes that got extensively out of hope that infected it's Kamen Rider succesosrs onwards.

 

[aniking_8]

Decade true purpose is to be god of Kamen Riders, but later becomes a destroyer, and later something else and I lose track of what he was in beginning. Also what was the role of Wataru and Kenzaki in returns beside fan service. Shouichi 1 second return in summer movie was worst and I don't think he get a line.

 

[Wing Saber]

Decade true purpose is to be god of Kamen Riders, but later becomes a destroyer, and later something else and I lose track of what he was in beginning. Also what was the role of Wataru and Kenzaki in returns beside fan service. Shouichi 1 second return in summer movie was worst and I don't think he get a line.

Decade wound up recreating the Rider series, despite killing Six Riders. Two of which were my favorites.

 

[NeonZ]

I thought Daishocker was one of the better ideas to come out of the show, though the fact that they weren't willing to give it the attention it needed didn't help.

I dislike several points of the Dai-Shocker concept.

Initially, it just crushes the individuality of each antagonist. I really enjoyed how each enemy type in Decade seemed to keep their nature and style while they traveled through each world... but, as soon as the Daishocker concept was introduced, suddenly everything disappeared.

The Unknown, which attempt to stop the human's race evolution randomly work alongside the Orphenocs and Grongi without problems, even though they're just as bad as Agito. The Fangire were shown to persecute other special races in their world, but they suddenly have no problem teaming up with other races and even bowing to them. The Undeads are all working together too - forgetting the Battle Fight that was even mentioned in the Blade World episodes... (although, at the very least, in the tv series, they seemed to care enough to show only Decade and Diend killing Undeads on screen, even after the Dai-Shocker episodes started...but I don't know if the movies kept that consistency)

Besides that, there's always the fact that every Dai-shocker member has been defeated in the past...and they just team up to be defeated again... It's not really a very impressive sight. At the very least, some higher ups should have been original characters, especially because they all had little to do with their original versions, besides the designs. Their connection to the Showa Riders wasn't even relevant. It'd have made sense if there had been some Dai-Shocker members with Decade and Diend-type technology.

 

[Igadevil]

I dislike several points of the Dai-Shocker concept.

Initially, it just crushes the individuality of each antagonist. I really enjoyed how each enemy type in Decade seemed to keep their nature and style while they traveled through each world... but, as soon as the Daishocker concept was introduced, suddenly everything disappeared.

The Unknown, which attempt to stop the human's race evolution randomly work alongside the Orphenocs and Grongi without problems, even though they're just as bad as Agito. The Fangire were shown to persecute other special races in their world, but they suddenly have no problem teaming up with other races and even bowing to them. The Undeads are all working together too - forgetting the Battle Fight that was even mentioned in the Blade World episodes... (although, at the very least, in the tv series, they seemed to care enough to show only Decade and Diend killing Undeads on screen, even after the Dai-Shocker episodes started...but I don't know if the movies kept that consistency)

That's one of the things I loved most about it, actually. They still go through all the Heisei villains individually, except this time Decade is around to mess things up too. They should be bothered by this, because now it's not just the Rider in that world opposing them, there's this wiseass new guy. Then Daishocker comes along and offers them an alliance to exact revenge, because they've all been there too.

So to me it makes perfect sense that they'd be willing to put everything else aside because they hate the Kamen Riders that much. That's what Daishocker is. It's everybody getting together because they've been beaten before, so why not try it together? It's like an AA meeting of evil. In the end they're beaten, sure, but that's Sunday morning Tokusatsu for you.

In a twisted way, it's awesome how they even put aside their own petty bigotry for a greater cause, albeit still an evil one. Do the Unknown care if the Orphenochs are "wrong" to them? No, because they hate that Agito guy even more! There are Fangire so pissed off at Kiva that they'll sell out to anybody. The Undead put their heads together and realized, why bother fighting each other to control one measily little world, when these guys are giving them a chance to join in on the greatest conquest ever? So it's a "lesser of two evils" thing. Of course it doesn't make much sense upon closer examination, but then neither does a lot of Kamen Rider.

Again, I don't think the show spent the time needed to really flesh it out, what with Narutaki's tomfoolery wasting screen time, when they could have been building up the foundation of Daishocker. To be really honest, you only feel the full impact of them in All Riders, while on TV we're only getting little glimpses here and there. But from a conceptual standpoint, I think it's a fantastic idea.

 

[big_j_ny]

That's one of the things I loved most about it, actually. They still go through all the Heisei villains individually, except this time Decade is around to mess things up too. They should be bothered by this, because now it's not just the Rider in that world opposing them, there's this wiseass new guy. Then Daishocker comes along and offers them an alliance to exact revenge, because they've all been there too.

So to me it makes perfect sense that they'd be willing to put everything else aside because they hate the Kamen Riders that much. That's what Daishocker is. It's everybody getting together because they've been beaten before, so why not try it together? It's like an AA meeting of evil. In the end they're beaten, sure, but that's Sunday morning Tokusatsu for you.

In a twisted way, it's awesome how they even put aside their own petty bigotry for a greater cause, albeit still an evil one. Do the Unknown care if the Orphenochs are "wrong" to them? No, because they hate that Agito guy even more! There are Fangire so pissed off at Kiva that they'll sell out to anybody. The Undead put their heads together and realized, why bother fighting each other to control one measily little world, when these guys are giving them a chance to join in on the greatest conquest ever? So it's a "lesser of two evils" thing. Of course it doesn't make much sense upon closer examination, but then neither does a lot of Kamen Rider.

Again, I don't think the show spent the time needed to really flesh it out, what with Narutaki's tomfoolery wasting screen time, when they could have been building up the foundation of Daishocker. To be really honest, you only feel the full impact of them in All Riders, while on TV we're only getting little glimpses here and there. But from a conceptual standpoint, I think it's a fantastic idea.

Dai-Shocker is basically Kamen Rider's version of the Legion of Doom (DC Comics villains) and the Alliance of Evil (Power Rangers villains), but they used the "Shocker" in their organization name to pay respects to the original Shocker group that tried to take down the original Riders, Ichigo and Nigo.

I most definitely agree with Igadevil as well in terms of how to execute Dai-Shocker, it should have been done in the beginning........not introduced as some big surprise towards the end of the series just for the sake of fanwanking. Shoot, by introducing a villain organization right at the beginning of the series, you'll establish a foundation to actual build a decent storyline. But why would Toei do that for Decade? Decade has no story