Death Penalty For Rebellous Teens

[Shogun_Master]

I'm usually with you, Big, but:
Hitler- Christian
Stalin- Spiritualist
Mao Zhe Dong- Athiest
Che... No effing clue, I'd have to look it up

Whether Seculars agree or disagree that these people's actions are virtuous to their religion, it doesn't matter. Only what these en themselves believed. Stalin isn't a good example anyway because he believed spiritualism was real & only wanted to use what he could from it to gain more power & Mao couldn't give two shits one way or the other. He just wanted absolute power.

Hitler & Che, though, absolutely believed that what the were doing was right as far as their philosophies went. Also, Hitler wasn't communist. The USSR swallowed up half of Germany AFTER WWII. Most of Europe was forced into communism by the USSR, but broke free as soon as possible.

As an Athiest my philosophy is simple. Sins, to me, is anything you do that harms yourself or someone you care about because those things will torture you for the rest of your life on this planet. I will say, though, that my favorite author, Terry Goodkind, injected his Sword of Truth series with his own philosophy- even going so far as to having each story written as an illustration of that philosophy, like a parable of sorts, if you want to say that, to make them easier to understand, as they all sound simple, but are incredibly complex things all the same.

Basically:
1) Men only fear for two reasons- because they're afraid it's true, or they want it to be true.
2) The greatest harm can come from the best intentions.
3) Never let your emotions get between yourself & what you think is right.
4) Forgiveness can heal, as long as it's deserved.
5) Men's actions will show who they are more than their words.
6) Don't let someone talk you into doing something you think is wrong, no matter how much you respect them.
7) Live for the future instead of dwelling on the past.
8) Fight with every last breath to earn the things you want in life.
9) Contradictions don't exist in real life situations.
10) Willfully ignoring the truth is treason to oneself.

 

[Vitor]

It reminds me of that episode of the 2002 Twilight Zone revival where juvenile delinquents are taken away to a top-secret facility and killed and ground down to make fertilizer ... :sweat:

There's also another one, not sure if it was from the 1986 Twilight Zone reboot or Tales From The Dark Side, but it's about this kid that's about to take this aptitude test of sorts.

He ends up passing it, but that's bad

He gets killed off because he's too smart and the government likes dumb sheep better blah blah blah

 

[Zander Yurami]

It is getting better.


He is in favor of deporting all Muslims, instituting the death penalty for rebellious children, and now sterilization for non-supportive/bad parents.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/10/charlie-fuqua-arkansas-sterilization_n_1955348.html

 

[Bigdog]

Everyone chill the **** out! Cant we all just agree that this guy is a complete nut job? XD



Blessed Be!
~Z Proud Pagan

I agree. This guy is a nutjob like many other corrupt politicians.

A death penalty for disrespecting your parents? I can't definitely see how this will not be abused like the law in this one state where you can ditch your children at a hospital so the state can care for them.

That should be your campaign slogan Z, though I think we are still alright. Threads like these are made for this sort of conversation to occur. As long as we don't take the comments too seriously, don't explode in a volcanic rage, and post with a certain level of dignity and respect, all should be well.

:thumbs:

Any longer Bigdog and I would say that post needs some Hide tags, though I see the point you are trying to make. Although in the first part I think shin meant specifically the laws about killing kids, not the big ones you listed.

Gonna put some Hide tags in there right now!!

 

[NateRiver]

You know what we really need?

Death penalty for people who makes spambots.

Not this crap.

 

[Bigdog]

I'm usually with you, Big, but:
Hitler- Christian
Stalin- Spiritualist
Mao Zhe Dong- Athiest
Che... No effing clue, I'd have to look it up

Stalin was an Atheist that took after Marxist doctrine and was a notable persecutor of religions:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin

"You know, they are fooling us, there is no God...all this talk about God is sheer nonsense" in E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin, Foreign Languages Publishing House, Moscow 1940

Hitler was not Christian either:
http://www.adherents.com/people/ph/Adolf_Hitler.html

And yeah, Che is one too:
https://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0817-07.htm

Whether Seculars agree or disagree that these people's actions are virtuous to their religion, it doesn't matter. Only what these en themselves believed. Stalin isn't a good example anyway because he believed spiritualism was real & only wanted to use what he could from it to gain more power & Mao couldn't give two shits one way or the other. He just wanted absolute power.

Hitler & Che, though, absolutely believed that what the were doing was right as far as their philosophies went. Also, Hitler wasn't communist. The USSR swallowed up half of Germany AFTER WWII. Most of Europe was forced into communism by the USSR, but broke free as soon as possible.

Communists advocate socialism, which is an economic system , and as Hitler advocated socialist economic policies rather than capitalist ones, he is therefore a communist politically.

Hitler pretended he was "against" communism when in reality, he espoused the same policies as "communist" nations.

Take it from a woman whom lived in East Germany during the Nazi and Soviet years: they are basically the same system, but put in different packages.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkT5hQ-hqR4

Basically:
1) Men only fear for two reasons- because they're afraid it's true, or they want it to be true.
2) The greatest harm can come from the best intentions.
3) Never let your emotions get between yourself & what you think is right.
4) Forgiveness can heal, as long as it's deserved.
5) Men's actions will show who they are more than their words.
6) Don't let someone talk you into doing something you think is wrong, no matter how much you respect them.
7) Live for the future instead of dwelling on the past.
8) Fight with every last breath to earn the things you want in life.
9) Contradictions don't exist in real life situations.
10) Willfully ignoring the truth is treason to oneself.

I love these. Now I really want to add that to my wishlist on Amazon. Thanks.:thumbs:

You know what we really need?

Death penalty for people who makes spambots.

Not this crap.

You have to admit there is some entertainment in how inhuman they are, but yeah they are annoying.

 

[shingamyeonblack]

That should be your campaign slogan Z, though I think we are still alright. Threads like these are made for this sort of conversation to occur. As long as we don't take the comments too seriously, don't explode in a volcanic rage, and post with a certain level of dignity and respect, all should be well.

Any longer Bigdog and I would say that post needs some Hide tags, though I see the point you are trying to make. Although in the first part I think shin meant specifically the laws about killing kids, not the big ones you listed.

I agree that this is how conversations occur.

As long as no one goes Supa Saiyajin, it's all good.

Yeah, and tl;dr on Bigdog's post. I usually don't do that, but yeah... and it started with "religion came way before atheism" or something like that. :eyebrow: Religion is made by people (in groups). Atheism is natural and it can occur before indoctrination by others.

It is getting better.


He is in favor of deporting all Muslims, instituting the death penalty for rebellious children, and now sterilization for non-supportive/bad parents.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/10/charlie-fuqua-arkansas-sterilization_n_1955348.html

You know what we call this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totalitarianism

 

[Shogun_Master]

Stalin was an Atheist that took after Marxist doctrine and was a notable persecutor of religions

Hitler was not Christian either

Communists advocate socialism, which is an economic system , and as Hitler advocated socialist economic policies rather than capitalist ones, he is therefore a communist politically.

Ok, Stalin projected Athiesm, but it is known after looking into records that he had deals with and was interested in proving Spiritualism this is why the USSR funded psychic testing, aura photography & other Spiritualist endosed projects.

I'd also be more enclined to call communism a perversion of Socialism, since it was created for more noble purposes than Communism used it to advocate.

I love these. Now I really want to add that to my wishlist on Amazon.

*sigh* well, I'm glad I got a second person to read them, the books helped me out of depression & gave me a few ideas as far as furthering my writing ability... just be warned that the books are incredibly gritty, dark & a bit disturbing, including topics of ritualistic killing, rape, child molestation, brainwashing children & the antagonists follow a fictional religion somewhere between Christianity & Communism.

 

[Ziginz Zegell]

*sigh* well, I'm glad I got a second person to read them, the books helped me out of depression & gave me a few ideas as far as furthering my writing ability... just be warned that the books are incredibly gritty, dark & a bit disturbing, including topics of ritualistic killing, rape, child molestation, brainwashing children & the antagonists follow a fictional religion somewhere between Christianity & Communism.

So something like Elric of Melnibone, only with a happier ending? :laugh:

Okay maybe that wasn't funny...still.

Wouldn't the Thule Society be proof that Hitler may or may not have had some believe in spiritualisim? I think it is clear that the man was willing to do whatever it took to gain power, even digging up mandrakes out of people's back yards. Then maybe he didn't believe any of it, but he knew people would.

I should use the spear of longinus in more stories. It is a really fun artifact to play with...that isn't sacrilege right?

 

[Bigdog]

I agree that this is how conversations occur.

As long as no one goes Supa Saiyajin, it's all good.

Yeah, and tl;dr on Bigdog's post. I usually don't do that, but yeah... and it started with "religion came way before atheism" or something like that. :eyebrow: Religion is made by people (in groups). Atheism is natural and it can occur before indoctrination by others.

Save for me in a sense. I believed in the viability of a ultra-super syncretic religion that comprises of concepts from all the major faiths...when I was five.

Religion did seem real to me when it was not at church, because church again felt self-defeating in its purpose as Jesus even defied the Law of his time in order to help others.

The issue is that religion is supposed to be a natural revelation to the person rather than as forced indoctrination like any other philosophy. This reasoning is why I HATED being a Catholic and found it an absolute joke, particularly even more-so when its formulaic and like robots. You sit , hear ,stand, sit again, consume flesh and drink another's blood literally?

Not to also mention that at one mass ,we outreached our hands like the third reich/DBZ Spirit Bomb in some prayer for somebody and I almost lol'ed.

How can I be Christian if I am observing pagan practices such as Mass and other rituals instituted when Constantine merged Apollo's and Dionysus' cults with Mithraism and Christianity and injected pagan holidays? Sure I do holidays like those , but as I read writings such as from Frank Viola's Pagan Christianity to Bart D. Ehrman's books and Richard Dawkins [ while in my atheist phase] on the New Testament, I view much of the things seen as worshiping God as utterly off the point and inaccurate to how Jesus and the early Christians observed their faith.

You know what we call this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totalitarianism

Yep.