Are we expecting too much on toku shows?

[Daikamonohashi]

So then you have seen EVERY toei series? I mean you must have if you can say what you just did.

Okay, modern Toei versus modern Tsuburaya. No, I haven't seen every episode of every series from both but based on the considerable amount I have seen I feel pretty safe in saying that there's really no contest.

 

[Shoichi]

watching Ultraman is an emotional journey, as compared to the 'touch and go' feel i get from Toei's programmes. Ultraman is as simple as it gets, while Toei tries to be all complicated and drama-esque and succeeded with Kuuga and Agito, but failed terribly especially with the past three years.

what's wrong with keeping with the old formulas? Ultraman has been doing that and succeeded with the 8 Brothers movie. it's clear marketing sense that it costs lesser to retain old customers than to gain new ones.

 

[KingRanger]

watching Ultraman is an emotional journey, as compared to the 'touch and go' feel i get from Toei's programmes. Ultraman is as simple as it gets, while Toei tries to be all complicated and drama-esque and succeeded with Kuuga and Agito, but failed terribly especially with the past three years.

what's wrong with keeping with the old formulas? Ultraman has been doing that and succeeded with the 8 Brothers movie. it's clear marketing sense that it costs lesser to retain old customers than to gain new ones.

Keeping with the old formulas? So you want things to stay exactly how they were in the past with no change? I'm sorry, but I will take a crappy show if it means a chance of something new happening.

While I didn't care for Nexus, it was a radical change from all the Ultraman shows before it. Are you saying that you didn't like Nexus?

Okay, modern Toei versus modern Tsuburaya. No, I haven't seen every episode of every series from both but based on the considerable amount I have seen I feel pretty safe in saying that there's really no contest.

Of "modern" Tsuburaya I have only enjoyed Cosmos and Mebius. To much nonsense in the other recent UM series.

 

[Undrave]

'cept Old Customers are not as reliable as they used to be, they are also the easiest one to find offense to the smallest thing you change (like say adding CGI somewhere because its cheaper). Finding new customers to replace the old one that leave makes the best buisness sense.

This is a breath of fresh air for me. I'm glad i'm not the only one who screams everybody screams because they want a Dark series for that series or franchise all of the time. Its gotten out of hand.

Den-O And Engine Sentai Go-Onger were great because they kept the series fresh and kept me waiting for more where as i fell asleep half way through Kabuto.

I think the reason why people complain is because a lot of the people in this fandom grew up watching Power Rangers and wish for a better alternitive to Disneys late comers. I mean thats what i think. I'm a different story myself because i saw tapes of the original ultraman DUBBED in english a year before Power Rangers came out and I thought "Wow this is an awesome Genre".

:castlerock: I'm not the only one! I'm glad you're there Jedib... so I'm not the only one who liked both Den-o, Go-onger and stopped watching Kabuto.

I didn't grow up on Power Rangers either, mostly on cartoons (a lot of it anime as it turned out). I didn't get into Power Rangers until I was halfway through grade 9 and caught Turbo (part 2) on TV back in the days. I find moving backward into the older series tedious ><

 

[x1xBladex1x]

But come on man! KRDK is having a DARK TONE too! And you can see it by how it progressed from EPISODE 1 to EPISODE 8.

Not trying to pick on you, just you said it in that post too, but I hate how everyone says "DARK DARK DARK DARK DARK". I hate that classification for TOKU. It's like everyone has to have that or it's not as good or whatever. I think serious is a good word to use in place. Serious action with serious plots. People dieing happens in everything, doesn't make it dark, if that is what the whole DARK thing comes from. People could even say "More mature themed", but I just hate the use of the word DARK.

Once again, not trying to single you out or pick on you Chronotia, so if possible, don't take it offensively.

 

[Shoichi]

i didn't say i didn't like Nexus. i enjoyed it because they did it right, without much problems with the writing. but i really hated the way they did Cosmos, especially for the first part when he was all too kind.

all i ask for is better writing, less emphasis on unnecessary aspects of the show (idiotic behaviour of certain characters or plots that are not explained at the end of the show) and probably a lower ratio of heroes to mecha.

also, stop bringing back Den-O.

 

[Daikamonohashi]

Keeping with the old formulas? So you want things to stay exactly how they were in the past with no change? I'm sorry, but I will take a crappy show if it means a chance of something new happening.

While I didn't care for Nexus, it was a radical change from all the Ultraman shows before it. Are you saying that you didn't like Nexus?

I personally appreciate that Tsuburaya is both trying new things (Nexus, 7X, UG, WoO) and having fun with nostalgia (Max, Mebius, Super 8) at the same time.

What I really enjoy about Ultraman is that even though there is a very basic formula that many of the episodes follow, a lot is left open for the director/screenwriter to play around and experiment with. I think Ultraman Max is a great example of this in the modern era. On the one hand, it's a very back-to-basics show and on the other hand the individual episodes showcase the creativity of the various talents who worked on it. The result is a very wide variety of stories, tones and styles ranging from the straightforward Ultraman episode (Kaneko's first episode), to moral meditation (Miike's episode 15, Yagi's episode 25), to surreal mindfucks (Jissoji's 22 and 24 - that man was weird), to atmospheric thrillers (Yagi's episode 27), and even to outrageous slapstick comedies (Miike's episode 16 and Kaneko's episode 36).

The original Ultra Q, Ultraman, Ultraman Tiga, etc. all follow a similar pattern. Yes, there's certainly a "tried and true formula," to much of it but the way it's handled leads to having a very wide variety of stories. That's why Ultraman rarely becomes dull for me even if they often "keep with the old formulas."

Of "modern" Tsuburaya I have only enjoyed Cosmos and Mebius. To much nonsense in the other recent UM series.

Cos... mos...? Well, I mean, whatever makes you feel sassy, man. :laugh:

 

[LoneWolf777]

I liked watching Mebius because not only did they bring back old Kaiju, but they also brought back the original actors that played the Ultramen from Showa-Era.

In fact, because Tsuburya did this, I thought that Toei was going to do the same thing in Decade. You know, bring back the original actors for the Heisei Riders. :eyebrow:
Original actor who played Wataru showed up, right?

 

[Chronotia Archzenom]

Not trying to pick on you, just you said it in that post too, but I hate how everyone says "DARK DARK DARK DARK DARK". I hate that classification for TOKU. It's like everyone has to have that or it's not as good or whatever. I think serious is a good word to use in place. Serious action with serious plots. People dieing happens in everything, doesn't make it dark, if that is what the whole DARK thing comes from. People could even say "More mature themed", but I just hate the use of the word DARK.

Once again, not trying to single you out or pick on you Chronotia, so if possible, don't take it offensively.

But I am not taking it offensively, it is just that I put justification of what I think is right. And if you say "SERIOUS", then you have a wisdom I adore for that.