Anyone noticed Sun Vulcan blatant sexism?

[ChaosApprentice]

I agree with this? But I think your argument in favor of it is problematic. It's very hard to argue there's no real world power that doesn't stem in some way from physical force. Even money only confers power because, ultimately, it can be used to influence physical force.

That said, I think you don't need to bring up real world issues like this to talk about whether entertainment is sexist or not. We're talking about an imaginary world that runs on arbitrary rules laid down by specific persons hoping to achieve specific things.

It's more relevant to talk about why those rules are structured as they are than to veer off into a discussion of real-world politics. There's usually a substantial gap between real-world gender politics and gender politics in pop fiction, though the latter can reflect on the former sometimes.

Regardless of how the real world works, in a TV show, you self-evidently don't have to be physically strong as another character to be just as important or valuable. Well-written genre action shows typically go out of their way to include significant "normal" people to create a contrast with the heroes.

Shounen stuff will tend toward male leads for obvious marketing reasons, sure, but that basic rule of TV writing means that there's no reason why these shows can't give interesting supporting and adversarial roles to women. There's tons of examples of them throughout the genre's history, too.

Ok, I can agree with this.

I think it's great when people want to get into deep discussions about sentai, but these are shows that are supposed to be fun. Why try and dissect them to such a degree as what is going on here? I mean story and what not is one thing, but when you start getting into sexism and racism in these shows :/

I think we all got carried away. :laugh:

 

[Burkion]

Ahem.

You know what's sexist?

Armor Hero.




*Hides*

 

[Lynxara]

To get angry about Armor Hero, someone would have to watch it!

(ba-dum-tish)

 

[ChaosApprentice]

To get angry about Armor Hero, someone would have to watch it!

(ba-dum-tish)

Besides knowing it is a chinese Tokusatsu, what exactly is Armor Hero all about?

 

[Burkion]

Imagine the most generic mash up of Metal Hero, Kamen Rider and Super Sentai EVER

Throw in some lame boring villains

Some one dimensional plots and characters

Up to four or five main heroes (I forget. They mean THAT little to me)

And have not a single one, hero or villain, be female.

 

[Black Fang]

Saudi Arabia should be the standard by which people judge what is and isn't sexist. That pretty much sums the whole issue up.

Because it's also fun.

While I disagree with the entire concept of this thread, I agree with this notion.

Why is it such a big deal that Sun Vulcan was an all-male team? I don't see people complaining that Sailor Moon is an all-female crew.

 

[Lynxara]

Saudi Arabia should be the standard by which people judge what is and isn't sexist. That pretty much sums the whole issue up.

This is possibly the most ridiculous and offensive statement that's been made in the entire thread.

So all it takes for a country to be a paragon of equality for women is not to practice forcible female circumcision? I'm trying to think of how someone could possibly come up with a lower standard of ethical behavior than this.

This argument pretty much means that, hey, if your beat your daughters badly enough to put them in the hospital regularly? You're okay! You're still better than guys in Sauda Arabia.

Are you letting your friends pay you to rape your wife while sexually molesting your daughters? That's okay! You're still better behaved than men in Saudi Arabia.

Did you sleep around on your wife and give her AIDS, then abandon her and refuse to pay child support? That's okay! You're still better behaved than men in Saudi Arabia.

Why did you even post in this thread if you had nothing better to contribute than this monstrous, horrible statement about how you think it's okay to beat and exploit women as long as you let them have a driver's license?

Why did you bring up such a serious and grotesque real-world abuse in the name of defending a children's show? How can someone show greater concern for television shows than the suffering and deaths of other people?

How can you post things like this and then look yourself in the mirror in the morning? Why do you spend so much time talking about heroes and then show such indifference to real human suffering? What you have said here this day is completely, totally unconscionable.

 

[Black Fang]

I wasn't defending anything. I was speaking in response to the ridiculous extent that people like lazycoconut go to when trying to find sexism in the most inconsequential things.

 

[KouAidou]

After putting up a statement like that I don't think you have any right to accuse anyone else of going "to a ridiculous extent" about anything.

 

[Black Fang]

Ok, my point here seems to have been completely missed. What I am saying is, we have people harping on about how portraying a female character as someone who is "kind, caring, culinary-trained, etc" or being "evil and strong" as somehow promoting sexism. Look at a society such as Saudi Arabia, where women are forced to cover all but their eyes, cannot drive, must be accompanied by a male when traveling, and all other sorts of maltreatment. Are you honestly going to say that a woman character who "wants to be a good housewife", for example, is anti-female when there are places in the world where women are actually being treated in horrible ways?

If you honestly believe I would condone any of the examples Lynx mentioned, there is something wrong with you.