Zyuden Sentai Kyoryuger EP 29- "All Out War! Dance Carnival!"

[ClimaxHeroDen-O]

- I don't know know whether I should laugh or facepalm at the fact that Sanjo actually gave an explanation as to why our heroes do that stupid dance every time they don costume, much less throw a dance in at all. I suspect this was his way of reasoning out something Toei dictated must be in the show in their frantic attempt to get away from that X-rated horror from last year.

And the sad part is, having music play a role in the story actually isn't a bad concept. Gingaman does it to a limited extent, and in a way that lets the audience learn more about the Forest. It's just that Kyoryuger is so obnoxious about it, so "dangle a shiny object in the baby's face", that it's not as endearing.

wow, you're cynical...

I think it's rather brilliant and poignant, and feel that the series is much better off having a justification for the use of music than not. music is an amazing thing, with incredible variability, that can be influenced by culture, and can even convey all kinds of emotion. plus, if music can bring harmony between, who's to say it couldn't create harmony between humans and dinosaurs?

furthermore, since music is generally considered a human creation, it makes sense that the dinosaurs would need human conduits to use the power of music, and the idea of music having magical/spiritual properties isn't exactly uncommon in fiction

 

[Hidden Masta]

Humans.

Um...humans didn't evolve from dinosaurs...they went extinct...they couldn't evolve into anything...

 

[Black Fang]

Um...humans didn't evolve from dinosaurs...they went extinct...they couldn't evolve into anything...

Thank you.

Except that, you guys are all the ones who brought up the Torin=Kaku similarity. As I said the first time you pointed this out, Kaku and Torin's goals are vastly different and deserve different treatment. The Gorma situation is different from the Deboss's.

Kaku kept his true goals of some sort of coexistence with the Gorma a secret from them, while Torin made it clear beforehand that his goal was to eliminate the Deboss, no exceptions. Kaku's was some sort of borderline betrayal that needed time to be adjusted to, while Torin's is a dark secret that doesn't change the goals of the Kyoryuger. I frankly would've complained if they dragged it out an episode more. Torin didn't lie or have them do something to serve an unknown purpose and he showed that he was true to the goals he set for the Kyoryuger, no matter the cost.

These are all just technicalities. The premise is still the same: heroes' mentor is secretly one of or related to the enemy and reluctantly reveals this to them. If you've seen Dairanger, or Gaoranger, or heck, Gingaman, Shinkenger, etc. it's so obvious what Kyoryuger is imitating. (Which isn't necessarily bad in and of itself; its execution just bugs me)

Just curious, did you watch Dairanger in full or just read about it? You mentioned once that you haven't watched much Sentai before Dekaranger.

wow, you're cynical

It's acquired.

the idea of music having magical/spiritual properties isn't exactly uncommon in fiction

Did I say it wasn't? I just don't like how Kyoryuger does it. It's way too silly.

 

[kuroihikari]

Thank you.

Lol, you didn't get it didn't you? He was mocking YOU by invoking the "pokemon"/"digimon" idea of evolution, because that is wrong. Just because an animal goes extinct, doesn't mean it did not evolve into something else. Case in point: Birds evolved from later dinosaurs and are basically dinosaurs.

You mentioned yourself that dinosaurs have countless species (and that they covered several millions of years): Are you absolutely certain that none of them evolved or were involved in the evolution of the earliest hominids? Hint: There were no mammals at the beginning of the Earth, and most of the first vertebrates on land were reptiles (dinosaurs).

This is appalling.

These are all just technicalities. The premise is still the same: heroes' mentor is secretly one of or related to the enemy and reluctantly reveals this to them. If you've seen Dairanger, or Gaoranger, or heck, Gingaman, Shinkenger, etc. it's so obvious what Kyoryuger is imitating. (Which isn't necessarily bad in and of itself; its execution just bugs me)

Just curious, did you watch Dairanger in full or just read about it? You mentioned once that you haven't watched much Sentai before Dekaranger.

I've seen all of Dairanger.

Let me summarize again:
YOU: OMG, It's copying Dairanger! -whine whine-
Me: Oh, let's not say that because there will be problems later. They're not really the same thing,
YOU, after a certain time: OMG it didn't copy Dairanger exactly! -whine whine-
Me: Told you so.
YOU: Technicality blah blah!

 

[Hidden Masta]

Lol, you didn't get it didn't you? He was mocking YOU by invoking the "pokemon"/"digimon" idea of evolution, because that is wrong. Just because an animal goes extinct, doesn't mean it did not evolve into something else. Case in point: Birds evolved from later dinosaurs and are basically dinosaurs.

Actually I wasn't...You said humans evolved from Dinosaurs. They're reptiles. We're primates.

 

[Undrave]

- Torin thinks the dinosaurs can evolve into a great lifeform?
(1) Haven't they already by that point?
(2) There are innumerable species of dinosaurs
(3) Exactly what does he think dinosaurs could become? Some Reptilian race out of David Icke's nightmares?

1) They didn't have a proper civilisation yet. They didn't have music.
2) Details, details, not all the dinos in the show even lived at the same time.
3) How should he know what the Dinosaurs could become? He's not a seer.

Lol, you didn't get it didn't you? He was mocking YOU by invoking the "pokemon"/"digimon" idea of evolution, because that is wrong. Just because an animal goes extinct, doesn't mean it did not evolve into something else. Case in point: Birds evolved from later dinosaurs and are basically dinosaurs.

You mentioned yourself that dinosaurs have countless species (and that they covered several millions of years): Are you absolutely certain that none of them evolved or were involved in the evolution of the earliest hominids? Hint: There were no mammals at the beginning of the Earth, and most of the first vertebrates on land were reptiles (dinosaurs).

Dinosaurs are from the clade Sauropsida, humans and other mammals are from Synapsida.

 

[kuroihikari]

Actually I wasn't...You said humans evolved from Dinosaurs. They're reptiles. We're primates.

Well, if you weren't, then you were wrong, too. Where did primates evolve from? From "dinosaurs".

The reptilian ancestor of mammals: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therapsid

Dinosaurs are from the clade Sauropsida, humans and other mammals are from Synapsida.

True, but they were still, basically, ancient lizards.

Heck, "dinosaur"-themed Sentai had 2 mammals.

 

[Black Fang]

^ Therapsids aren't dinosaurs. They're in their own group. So to say humans have dinosaurs in their ancestry is just wrong.

You mentioned yourself that dinosaurs have countless species (and that they covered several millions of years): Are you absolutely certain that none of them evolved or were involved in the evolution of the earliest hominids?

.... You're not serious, are you? I hope to God you're not.

Hint: There were no mammals at the beginning of the Earth, and most of the first vertebrates on land were reptiles (dinosaurs).

Mammals were around well into the dinosaurs' reign. In fact the first mammals (or at least mammal-like reptiles) appeared almost around the same time as the first dinosaurs.

I've seen all of Dairanger.

Let me summarize again:
YOU: OMG, It's copying Dairanger! -whine whine-
Me: Oh, let's not say that because there will be problems later. They're not really the same thing,
YOU, after a certain time: OMG it didn't copy Dairanger exactly! -whine whine-
Me: Told you so.
YOU: Technicality blah blah!

Um, no?

And it's nice to see that you're now diminishing someone who disagrees with you as a mere whiner to be dismissed.

 

[lazycoconut]

- Ramirez playing the quirky English-speaker despite being Spanish still makes no sense. If the kiddies can take Portuguese/Brazilian-influenced talking weapons and dancing, a little Spanish dialogue can't hurt.

I honestly don't think they've thought of that. Toei seems to think the whole of Europe is basically the same - just like Ian speaks English and has a Scottish name yet apparently came from a country that looked more like Germany. Anyone remember the infamous Goseiger episode where it was the same time in every country in the world?

- I don't know know whether I should laugh or facepalm at the fact that Sanjo actually gave an explanation as to why our heroes do that stupid dance every time they don costume, much less throw a dance in at all. I suspect this was his way of reasoning out something Toei dictated must be in the show in their frantic attempt to get away from that X-rated horror from last year.

At least he's trying to explain it. If he hadn't, people would be whining about "plot holes" ...

 

[kuroihikari]

^ Therapsids aren't dinosaurs. They're in their own group. So to say humans ave dinosaurs in their ancestry is just wrong.



.... You're not serious, are you? I hope to God you're not.


Mammals were around well into the dinosaurs' reign. In fact the first mammals (or at least mammal-like reptiles) appeared almost around the same time as the first dinosaurs.

OMG. Now, whose talking technicalities? :laugh:

Remember, Torin was talking about Earth's nature and dinosaurs (both of which were affected by the same extinction events), and that "dinosaurs" can be (erroneously) a generic term for fauna from the prehistoric period (as I said: Zyuranger). And it doesn't change the fact that our ancestors are ancient lizards

Um, no?

And it's nice to see that you're now diminishing someone who disagrees with you as a mere whiner to be dismissed.

Lol, I addressed your complaints one-by-one. You dismissed them because you wanted to do things your way. Okay, fine.

Now, ONLY because you CHOSE to look at it negatively you find more negative things to see that shouldn't have been there in the first place. Then I'm telling you that, well, you dug your own hole. And you're blaming me? :laugh: