Things I hate About Heisei Riders

[Igadevil]

Okay, at the risk of alienating all the oldschool KR fans, I have watched a variety of episodes of the various Showa era Kamen Riders, and I'm sorry, but 95% of them seem to fall into the following pattern:

1. Head of evil organization comes up with plan to conquer Japan using Monster of the Week.
2. Kamen Rider discovers evil plot and faces off with MOTW, who fights KR in a closely matched battle.
3. KR trains hard and discovers a new technique.
4. KR wins rematch with MOTW.

The training thing only actually happens on occasion, not every episode and I'd say not even most episodes. In many of the major ones? Yeah, but that's the equivalent of getting a new form/power up/whatever in the newer shows. V3 learned a new kick to beat one of his toughest enemies; Kuuga strengthened his own, and Blade got a new form. But that doesn't happen every episode.

And you know, if you can't get into the old stuff, fine, that's you. But bashing the old stuff to defend the new doesn't exactly sell me on your point. I'd be far more interested in seeing what people love about Heisei Riders, without whatever they don't like about Shôwa Riders. And vice-versa. I think the old Riders are awesome, but on their own merits. Not because they're somehow all just magically sooooooo much better than the new stuff, which I think is as gross an overstatement as saying all the old stuff is the same.

 

[Bad Wolf]

you kids have no idea how good you have it.

 

[ryuuseipro]

I don't put effort into hating toku. That is just boring and takes the fun out of the shows. Even shows I may not like all that much, I can still find something fun to talk about. I would much rather discuss fun things in toku.

If the Heisei Masked Rider Series are all that "toku" has to offer, there's a' plenty bashin' to be found!

I have not bothered with the Heisei Masked Rider shows. Kuuga and Agito were just okay for Rider shows, but since Ryuuki, it completely took a nosedive. It stopped being consistent, let alone fun. It gets worse with each series, and that's just how it's going to be from now on.

Don't get me started.

 

[Domino 555]

Okay one thing I am annoyed at, at least in Rider shows sometimes, is they never let the monster of the week go. Take when Kiva got it emperor form for the first time, and the fangire went nuts. The fangire I felt sorry for and Wataru just helped him, then Wataru gets upset that Mio got hurt and killed him. Why can't the heroes for once try to talk things out instead of just fighting. Sorry it's just after seeing it in Faiz, some episodes of Sentai, and well other places the bad guys even former have to die. It's a really annoying thing that's been bugging me. Then again maybe I'm over thinking it.

 

[Lynxara]

Why can't the heroes for once try to talk things out instead of just fighting.

I think you probably want to go watch Ultraman Cosmos, even if you don't realize this yet.

 

[Shougo B'Stard]

1. Head of evil organization comes up with plan to conquer Japan using Monster of the Week.
2. Kamen Rider discovers evil plot and faces off with MOTW, who fights KR in a closely matched battle.
3. KR trains hard and discovers a new technique.
4. KR wins rematch with MOTW.

And it could be easily said that the Heisei shows fall into this pattern:

1) Fight which started in previous episode (since every single Heisei Rider series is told in two-parters) concludes in anti-climax.

2) Heroes mope around restaurant hang-out all day. Possibility of hijinks with beverage orders/food orders/laundry orders 85%.

3) Villains -- what villains? There are no villains in the Heisei Rider shows! Just other Kamen Riders. And for that, see number 2.

4) Writers remember this is a show about heroes fighting monsters, so monster appears randomly as Rider and/or friend drive down the street. Fight breaks out. If this is the second episode of the two-parter, the monster dies. If it's the first part, fight ends on a cliffhanger. Restart at number 1.

F) Way too many unnecessary characters.

 

[KingRanger]

If the Heisei Masked Rider Series are all that "toku" has to offer, there's a' plenty bashin' to be found!

I have not bothered with the Heisei Masked Rider shows. Kuuga and Agito were just okay for Rider shows, but since Ryuuki, it completely took a nosedive. It stopped being consistent, let alone fun. It gets worse with each series, and that's just how it's going to be from now on.

Don't get me started.

You contradict yourself. If you have "not bothered" wit the Heisei Kamen Rider shows, then how do you know they have taken a nose dive since Ryuuki. You didn't even make it clear if you had even watched any Agito or Kuuga. How can you know something isn't consistent or fun, if you haven't even watched them.

 

[MrMonk]

And it could be easily said that the Heisei shows fall into this pattern:

1) Fight which started in previous episode (since every single Heisei Rider series is told in two-parters) concludes in anti-climax.

2) Heroes mope around restaurant hang-out all day. Possibility of hijinks with beverage orders/food orders/laundry orders 85%.

3) Villains -- what villains? There are no villains in the Heisei Rider shows! Just other Kamen Riders. And for that, see number 2.

4) Writers remember this is a show about heroes fighting monsters, so monster appears randomly as Rider and/or friend drive down the street. Fight breaks out. If this is the second episode of the two-parter, the monster dies. If it's the first part, fight ends on a cliffhanger. Restart at number 1.

F) Way too many unnecessary characters.

I assume this is sarcasm based on the previously over-generalization of Showa era shows?

 

[Tenraisenpuujin]

The training thing only actually happens on occasion, not every episode and I'd say not even most episodes. In many of the major ones? Yeah, but that's the equivalent of getting a new form/power up/whatever in the newer shows. V3 learned a new kick to beat one of his toughest enemies; Kuuga strengthened his own, and Blade got a new form. But that doesn't happen every episode.

And you know, if you can't get into the old stuff, fine, that's you. But bashing the old stuff to defend the new doesn't exactly sell me on your point. I'd be far more interested in seeing what people love about Heisei Riders, without whatever they don't like about Shôwa Riders. And vice-versa. I think the old Riders are awesome, but on their own merits. Not because they're somehow all just magically sooooooo much better than the new stuff, which I think is as gross an overstatement as saying all the old stuff is the same.

I just shouldn't post when I'm that annoyed. Reacting to gross overgeneralization with gross overgeneralization was pretty stupid of me.

 

[Igadevil]

I just shouldn't post when I'm that annoyed. Reacting to gross overgeneralization with gross overgeneralization was pretty stupid of me.

Nah, it's okay. I probably came across a little hard myself, sorry about that.