The Heisei Era Could End...Soonish

The connection to past series seemed to stop with Fourze. It really just seems like W-Fourze are set in the Showa universe and have Foundation X trying to be the next Shocker, and then everything after it is back to doing its own thing. Just another reason Toei doesn't know what the hell they are doing anymore with the franchise as they clearly got scared to do something different and then went into this safe zone.

The Rider Universe always had a main timeline where all the Riders from Showa - Heisei Phase 2 existed together. This is evident with Kamen Rider Taisen which connected Ichigo - ZX - Gaim in one canon. But they change the origins of some of the Riders (Faiz and Kaixa). So some shows were contained in its own timeline, while another versions were canon with the main timeline. You can pretty much explain all the plot holes in most of the movies with Decade's existence. That show introduced the multi-verse concept to Rider in the first place. So I'll say Ichigo - Kiva all took place in the main timeline, Decade - Ghost is when things got crazy and its unclear at times whether this said movie or tv show existed with the main timeline.
 
Why does anyone give a **** about the "timeline"? It provides so little and requires so much mental gymnastics and even then the vast majority of the time it means nothing. Even when they connected Ghost and Drive within the early episodes of Ghost what did it change? Absolutely nothing. Neither Drive, nor any of its characters have shown up in Ghost and it doesn't look like Takeru is planning on dropping past Shinnosuke's station anytime soon. It doesn't actually provide anything to the series' respective narratives, it simply presents the illusion of a larger world. I'm never going to get why people expend so much energy discussing it. It simply doesn't matter and is worth about as much as a timeline for the Legend of Zelda series aka not a damn thing.

PS Neo-Heisei is cringey as all get-out and means nothing to any and all newcomers. Just say Post-Decade which not only draws a clear line but also doesn't make you sound like a total try-hard
 
The Rider Universe always had a main timeline where all the Riders from Showa - Heisei Phase 2 existed together. This is evident with Kamen Rider Taisen which connected Ichigo - ZX - Gaim in one canon.

Since when were the Taisen movies considered part of main continuity? Even some of the regular summer movies can't be placed neatly in their own shows' timelines. It makes much more sense to consider the universes as Showa, ten different universes from Kuuga to Decade, with Decade spanning the multiverse (however poorly), and "post-Decade, aka Neo Heisei" where everything's in one universe again.
 
This is news, right? Because Toei will almost certainly make a big event out of the final Heisei era Rider show and the first show of a new era.
As a Brit I know that the Queen's children and grandchildren have been taking over many of her duties, especially those that require her to travel. They are officially 'representing her' rather than doing it in their own name, but it takes the pressure off their 90 year old granny. I wonder if there's a similar system in Japan?

I'm not sure that Toei would jump onboard with building an event off the death of an important public figure.
I never took the neo Heisei thing seriously (and apparently, neither did the entire franchise either). It seemed like a fan term that was never acknowledged by toei. Could be wrong on this.
I've never been a fan of that label. When I first encountered it (when OOO was airing) nobody could even decide when "Neo Heisei" began, which seemed to me like a sign that it's a bad term.

The main contenders were Den-O (which dropped the J-Drama aspects of previous Heisei shows and codified the formula being used by Rider to this day, had a summer movie that was actually in continuity with the show, was the first to begin crossing over with it's successors, AND established the springtime movie slot), Decade (for really cranking up the use of collectables and gimmick figures, having massively successful crossovers and establishing the autumn movie slot), or Double (because...it was the 11th show and everyone really liked it?).

IIRC Toei initially referred to Double as the first series in the 'Next Decade Project' but then never really used the term again afterwards.

From what I've read the Japanese fans prefer the term "Phase Two Heisei". It refers to when Toei dissolved the crew that had worked on the shows from Kuuga through Kiva and assembled a new one for Decade (though it sometimes seems that it was more like "everyone re-apply for your jobs" than actually insisting on hiring new people). So they call the shows from Decade onwards "Phase Two" to acknowledge that it's a different production team.
Didn't Kiva and some other pre-W Riders appear in Sengoku Battle?
The actor who played Nago (the 'modern' Ixa) had a cameo in that film. It was really just an excuse to have him say his catchphrase, but it was part of the advertising alongside cameos from the actors who played Kengo from Fourze, Ryu (Accel) and his wife Akiko from Double, and Date (Birth) from OOO.
The Rider Universe always had a main timeline where all the Riders from Showa - Heisei Phase 2 existed together. This is evident with Kamen Rider Taisen which connected Ichigo - ZX - Gaim in one canon. But they change the origins of some of the Riders (Faiz and Kaixa). So some shows were contained in its own timeline, while another versions were canon with the main timeline. You can pretty much explain all the plot holes in most of the movies with Decade's existence. That show introduced the multi-verse concept to Rider in the first place. So I'll say Ichigo - Kiva all took place in the main timeline, Decade - Ghost is when things got crazy and its unclear at times whether this said movie or tv show existed with the main timeline.
Except Toei always insist that the characters appearing in crossover movies are the same versions from the shows, even when that makes no sense as with Kuuga, Ryuki and Den-O or the infamous 'Black and RX as separate people' problem. Going back to the pre-Decade stuff, Agito's creative team publicly said that it was not in continuity with Kuuga. Kabuto features a cameo from the non-canon 'The First' version of Ichigo. Riderman famously didn't survive until the end of the V3 series but still appeared in every Showa-era team-up.

Rider really just kicks the very concept of continuity in the balls. :laugh:
Why does anyone give a **** about the "timeline"? It provides so little and requires so much mental gymnastics and even then the vast majority of the time it means nothing.
I agree that Rider and Sentai are really made to be consumed as stand-alone series. I get a little annoyed when you have to see a crossover movie for something to make sense in the show because those films really can be tough for someone watching their first Rider.
 
The connection to past series seemed to stop with Fourze. It really just seems like W-Fourze are set in the Showa universe and have Foundation X trying to be the next Shocker, and then everything after it is back to doing its own thing. Just another reason Toei doesn't know what the hell they are doing anymore with the franchise as they clearly got scared to do something different and then went into this safe zone.

They dropped Foundation X because the person who was pushing them left the series. I don't see how you can say that the shows aren't connected though. One of the Roidmudes in Drive mimicked a Shocker scientist from the original series. He appeared in the Vs Ninninger special, but afterwards he was listed in the Roidmude list used by the characters in the show itself.

Rider 1 has been referenced twice in Ghost (granted, mostly to advertise the movie), alongside the flashback to Ghost's appearance in Drive. In the newest episode the aired yesterday, the twins from the legend rider net episodes just appeared in the Ghost tv series as a cliff hanger.

Since when were the Taisen movies considered part of main continuity? Even some of the regular summer movies can't be placed neatly in their own shows' timelines. It makes much more sense to consider the universes as Showa, ten different universes from Kuuga to Decade, with Decade spanning the multiverse (however poorly), and "post-Decade, aka Neo Heisei" where everything's in one universe again.

Both Drive and Ghost had direct references to their spring movies (the above mentioned Roidmude for Drive and the girl who thanks to Himiko could foresee the future foreseeing Takeru's meeting with Rider 1, alongside later on Rider 1 himself making a cameo in the Ghost tv show, being briefly shown fighting in another country when they were advertising the movie).

The main contenders were Den-O (which dropped the J-Drama aspects of previous Heisei shows and codified the formula being used by Rider to this day, had a summer movie that was actually in continuity with the show, was the first to begin crossing over with it's successors, AND established the springtime movie slot), Decade (for really cranking up the use of collectables and gimmick figures, having massively successful crossovers and establishing the autumn movie slot), or Double (because...it was the 11th show and everyone really liked it?).

IIRC Toei initially referred to Double as the first series in the 'Next Decade Project' but then never really used the term again afterwards.

W pretty much codified the formula, with stuff like specific points for the debut of the 2nd Rider and final form. Even today, although the formula is more malleable, we still get stuff like an obligatory Rider with a different transformation device when the 2nd Rider used to debut, while the other Riders share transformation devices with someone else.

From what I've read the Japanese fans prefer the term "Phase Two Heisei". It refers to when Toei dissolved the crew that had worked on the shows from Kuuga through Kiva and assembled a new one for Decade (though it sometimes seems that it was more like "everyone re-apply for your jobs" than actually insisting on hiring new people). So they call the shows from Decade onwards "Phase Two" to acknowledge that it's a different production team.
Decade still was mostly by the old crew. It was the last tv show produced by Shirakura and was also a stopgap to give W bigger pre-production time. It's W and on that had some rearranging and it's W and on that's called 2nd phase by the Japanese fanbase (just look at the Japanese wiki page).
 
W pretty much codified the formula, with stuff like specific points for the debut of the 2nd Rider and final form. Even today, although the formula is more malleable, we still get stuff like an obligatory Rider with a different transformation device when the 2nd Rider used to debut, while the other Riders share transformation devices with someone else.
Zeronos debuted in episode 17 and had his own unique belt (and sword!), unlike later movie-exclusive Riders that used modified versions of the main Rider's belt.
Accel debuted in episode 18 and had his own unique belt (and sword!), unlike later movie-exclusive Riders that used modified versions of the main Rider's belt.

Previously, Leangle debuted in episode 16 of Blade (though he got his belt the previous episode) and Todoroki debuted in episode 15 of Hibiki, and they both had their own toy transformation devices and weapons. So I suspect the timing (Q2) was already set. But having ONLY a primary and secondary Rider within the show and keeping the rest exclusively in movies? Den-O was first.

Both the K-Taros and the Xtreme Memory were third quarter toy releases. I'll grant you that Den-O Liner Form didn't debut until episode 36 (four later than Double CJX) but it uses the same toy as Climax Form, which debuted in episode 28 (four earlier than CJX). CJX is bang in the middle. Liner and CJX both got their own exclusive weapons too.
 
What about Super Sentai? Granted, it doesn't have a huge gap like Rider, but if Ex-Aid is the last Heisei Rider, Zyuohger or the next Sentai will be the last Heisei Sentai.

Granted, I agree with NeonZ, that it probably won't be a big deal unless a big production change just happens to occur then. There does seem to be a bit of a change from Decade to W (in my eyes, more connection between series) but I think if any change occurs, it'll be because it's the relaunch's 20th anniversary (and be with Ex-Aid's successor).

Also, I think we're missing the point: An Emperor is planning to abdicate when tradition says it's a lifetime commitment (can't say I blame him). I'm more interested in that. I guess we'll see what happens and what effect it'll havery on the shows. My guess: they'll get pre-empted by the huge news stories about the event. Anything else will be by stuff that would've happen even if he stayed.
Super Sentai is the best example of why a new emperor taking over will not automatically change the tone of the series to come. When Japan transitioned from Showa to Heisei, Sentai did not undergo a massive change in its presentation. It happened gradually as the 90's continued, just as it did for the previous decade.

Look at the difference between Turboranger and Timeranger. It has nothing to do with Showa and Heisei. The same goes for BLACK RX and Kuuga.

IIRC Toei initially referred to Double as the first series in the 'Next Decade Project' but then never really used the term again afterwards.
I still think it's much more original than "Neo Heisei". Thanks, Gackt.

Except Toei always insist that the characters appearing in crossover movies are the same versions from the shows, even when that makes no sense as with Kuuga, Ryuki and Den-O or the infamous 'Black and RX as separate people' problem. Going back to the pre-Decade stuff, Agito's creative team publicly said that it was not in continuity with Kuuga. Kabuto features a cameo from the non-canon 'The First' version of Ichigo. Riderman famously didn't survive until the end of the V3 series but still appeared in every Showa-era team-up.

Rider really just kicks the very concept of continuity in the balls. :laugh:
Riderman's survival was explained, though not entirely on-screen. I wouldn't say that's a continuity problem, it's more like the typical case of a popular character surviving. I see it in the same way as (SPOILER ALERT FOR GAIM): [HIDE]Takatora being dead for a while, and then at the end of the penultimate episode, we discover he had survived all along.[/HIDE] Is that a problem with continuity?

I need to read up about the Kuuga-Agito connections again since I can't remember if they said that or the opposite. Even if they did, the first few episodes do have mentions of the Unidentified Lifeforms and Number 4.

When it comes to Kuuga, Ryuki, Den-O and the twin Kotaros, I'd argue Ryuki is the only one that lacks a good reason. These are things that are not ever explained on screen, but if you've seen their series (in the case of the Kotaros, it would be Decade), you can easily come up with an explanation.

If you realize how Kuuga works, you can easily see how he can come back. I won't go into details because of spoilers but the key is in episodes 18-19.

Den-O... wait, what's wrong with him? Why can't he come back?

BLACK and BLACK RX: It's all Decade's fault. One of those two is from another universe, probably BLACK. Decade did introduce a universe in which Kotaro never became RX. It's implied that Tsukasa is continuing his travel around worlds, and yet he keeps coming back for all the team-ups despite travelling through different universes. It's not too far-fetched to think BLACK also comes to the world that RX inhabits.

Hell, many people have come up with an easy explanation for Ryuki coming back, but it is something that sounds like overkill. Won't go into details on that.


I agree that Rider and Sentai are really made to be consumed as stand-alone series. I get a little annoyed when you have to see a crossover movie for something to make sense in the show because those films really can be tough for someone watching their first Rider.
Most of the time, the tie-ins to movies tend to be small for that very reason. I guess the only ones that absolutely need to be watched to avoid confusion are Den-O's and W's summer films, but they are not "crossovers".

There used to be a time when Riders teaming up would not be considered a crossover. I am under the belief we are back to that time, and whenever I see these referred as crossovers, I get a slight mental twitch that's quite similar to the one a grammar nazi feels. Not to say each series can't be stand-alone, though. It's always been that way, even back when there was seamless continuity between them.

Zeronos debuted in episode 17 and had his own unique belt (and sword!), unlike later movie-exclusive Riders that used modified versions of the main Rider's belt.
Accel debuted in episode 18 and had his own unique belt (and sword!), unlike later movie-exclusive Riders that used modified versions of the main Rider's belt.

Previously, Leangle debuted in episode 16 of Blade (though he got his belt the previous episode) and Todoroki debuted in episode 15 of Hibiki, and they both had their own toy transformation devices and weapons. So I suspect the timing (Q2) was already set. But having ONLY a primary and secondary Rider within the show and keeping the rest exclusively in movies? Den-O was first.

Both the K-Taros and the Xtreme Memory were third quarter toy releases. I'll grant you that Den-O Liner Form didn't debut until episode 36 (four later than Double CJX) but it uses the same toy as Climax Form, which debuted in episode 28 (four earlier than CJX). CJX is bang in the middle. Liner and CJX both got their own exclusive weapons too.
Though Den-O set up those standards, Kiva would later do things differently, and then Decade would continue them while at the same time being quite different from Den-O. It is with Double that they began to do it uninterrupted, which is one of the reasons why it's considered a new era. I'm not just thinking about introduction of Riders and forms... I'm also thinking about team-ups and multiple movies a year. Den-O started experimenting with that, and after seeing that it was succesful, Toei started to make it a tradition in 2009/2010.

Another reason why I think Double is considered the start has a lot to do with how Decade treated the past 9 series and how it introduced W in All Riders vs DaiShocker.
 
Zeronos debuted in episode 17 and had his own unique belt (and sword!), unlike later movie-exclusive Riders that used modified versions of the main Rider's belt.
Accel debuted in episode 18 and had his own unique belt (and sword!), unlike later movie-exclusive Riders that used modified versions of the main Rider's belt.

Previously, Leangle debuted in episode 16 of Blade (though he got his belt the previous episode) and Todoroki debuted in episode 15 of Hibiki, and they both had their own toy transformation devices and weapons. So I suspect the timing (Q2) was already set. But having ONLY a primary and secondary Rider within the show and keeping the rest exclusively in movies? Den-O was first.

The Leangle example doesn't really fit, since Garren also had his own transformation device. Besides, it's not just a matter of being 'first'. Right after Den-O we had Kiva, that like Khaiden mentions above, didn't stick by Den-O's set up as far as Rider and forms introductions go. So, it's clear that there was no set formula yet at that point. And, of course, it also had no collectibles, which would be introduced with Decade, or the gadget toys that would be introduced by W (unless you want to count the disc animals from Hibiki).

Both the K-Taros and the Xtreme Memory were third quarter toy releases. I'll grant you that Den-O Liner Form didn't debut until episode 36 (four later than Double CJX) but it uses the same toy as Climax Form, which debuted in episode 28 (four earlier than CJX). CJX is bang in the middle. Liner and CJX both got their own exclusive weapons too.
It's missing a Fang/Tajador/Magnet/Jimba/Deadheat/Boost equivalent too though, with the positioning of Climax's form debut making it closer to the Kachidoki/Formula/Grateful forms.
 
Why does anyone give a **** about the "timeline"?

Because it expands the mythology of the series to more than just a basic generic super hero show. Unlike Sentai, Kamen Rider originally had a shared universe for its Showa era, which disappeared until W. It also means that some events could have consequences that occur in later series, adding even more to the stories. There is a reason why the Marvel Cinematic Universe is successful. The last time we really had shared universes in movies was with the classic Universal monsters stuff and Toho's Showa era of Kaiju.
 
First of all, crossover movie or taisen and such were meant for fun purposes only..not really meant for plot heavily implied that our riders actually "shares" a world together
No.......i don't care how serious they put or shove it to our throats that our heroes could actually meet each other face to face

However, i DO want to see they establish a new kind of shared universe ala mcu
Afterall, toei already kinda influenced by mcu for their gritty net series....maybe made it a new modern enemy organizations
Not putting a "insert-new-term" shocker all over again, just a new evil lurking in the back

Afterall, this might be a good chance to start a new era, right!??
 

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