So I finally finished Kabuto

You're right, KR and I apologize. I was referring to earlier when I was told why I like KR Kabuto.. just really rubbed me the wrong way.
 
Very best? So you liked how they just pulled the perfect zector out of thin air, how they made it so Kabuto could steal the other riders zectors for no reason, how they shafted Sasword and drake, I mean how is this the best of any thing?

Good job on not paying attention to the statement's Arata's father told us about Tendou and Kagami about the importance of Kabuto and Gatack (Gods of War and Light respectively, hello).

Or the fact that once alternate universe Tendou had the Hyper Zecter he was able to retroactively ensure his existence to protect the world from the Worms.

Perfect Zecter might've been an ass-pull but compared to cop outs like Vents from Hibiki (especially Ohja) I don't see why your complaining about this. Drake was never a particularly plot-important or centric character, and the same with Sasword, as much as I like Tsurugi.

It had the best designed Riders, more or less decent monster designs with the evolved Worms, great fights, a fantastic movie (Isshin and Yamato were great) and a fantastic ending.

Not seeing what your problem is here.
 
Perfect Zecter might've been an ass-pull but compared to cop outs like Vents from Hibiki (especially Ohja)

Wait.... what??

I don't see why your complaining about this. Drake was never a particularly plot-important or centric character, and the same with Sasword, as much as I like Tsurugi.

So because the writers couldn't make these two significant, it's perfectly fine to make them even less significant by conjuring up some weapon that just steals their Zecters at whim? Of all the excuses for the imPerfect Zecter, this one I hate the most.

It had the best designed Riders, more or less decent monster designs with the evolved Worms, great fights

Yes, but none of which really means anything in the long run. It's all style. Where is the substance?

a fantastic movie (Isshin and Yamato were great) and a fantastic ending.

As far as "apocalyptic" settings go, Paradise Lost was better. GSL was good in concept, but the final product was lacking.
 
yes yes yes, they made a mistake.
Obviously we knew what he meant.
My problem with perfect zector was that it was a key point, without it Kabuto would probably not be strong enough to destroy all the monsters he did (I don't think Hyper form made him that much stronger, it was just that Hyper clock up was time-bending)
I personally don't think either Sasword or Drake were shafted, yes Tsurugi kinda became a joke, but that really was just hs charater.
Drake was pretty cool, true he didn't have as much "side-character" screen time as Sasword or TheBee. but his arcs were interesting.
TheBee, both Yagemura and Kageyama, now those are too who were shafted.
Kageyama had potentional, his whole "don't abandon me" thing could have worked out interestingly, but then the Hoppers ruined that.
And I think the whole worm thing with him at the end was a complete ass-pull.
 
TheBee, both Yagemura and Kageyama, now those are too who were shafted.
Kageyama had potentional, his whole "don't abandon me" thing could have worked out interestingly, but then the Hoppers ruined that.
And I think the whole worm thing with him at the end was a complete ass-pull.


I have to agree with you there. Though I like the whole idea of the hoppers chasing the light again shizz, it had sooo much potential, I thought i might finally see TheBee again as a legitimate good guy right after Kagami dropped it.
 
Wait.... what??

Whatever, I mix up Hibiki and Ryuki at times.

So because the writers couldn't make these two significant, it's perfectly fine to make them even less significant by conjuring up some weapon that just steals their Zecters at whim? Of all the excuses for the imPerfect Zecter, this one I hate the most.

Why don't you address why they should've been more central to the story before complaining why they weren't in the first place? That's your burden, not mine, buddy.

Not too mention its hilarious how ZECT can create a Zecter that allows a person to beat time-stoppers, travel to different/alternate timelines or universes and dimensions, move at FTL speeds and reverse time but a Zecter that simply uses the power of other Zecters to augment the offensive ability of Hyper Zecter is too rabu rabu mean to the other Riders with exception of the Hoppers and Gatack.

Yes, but none of which really means anything in the long run. It's all style. Where is the substance?

How in any way shape or form does Kabuto lack substance? All of the people whom complained about it tend to decry it due to it not being as sporadic in nature as the first leg of the show started.

Which is actually hilariously hypocritical.

Define your reasons before pouring a random blanket statement on me and expect me to accept that as that from face value.

As far as "apocalyptic" settings go, Paradise Lost was better. GSL was good in concept, but the final product was lacking.

Uh, the "apocalyptic" setting was going to come until Caucasus aka Isshin initiated second contact with the new WORM asteroid. It was a alternate future that Hyper Kabuto would retcon to kick off the main series in the first place.

If your argument is, "ITS BAD CAUSE IT DIDNT DO IT AS GUD AS THE OTHERS!!111111" that's pretty much only providing me you don't actually have anything to critic Kabuto from an objective manner.
 
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Perfect Zecter might've been an ass-pull but compared to cop outs like Vents from Hibiki (especially Ohja) I don't see why your complaining about this. Drake was never a particularly plot-important or centric character, and the same with Sasword, as much as I like Tsurugi.

that's Ryuki not Hibiki.... :sweat:
 
Why don't you address why they should've been more central to the story before complaining why they weren't in the first place? That's your burden, not mine, buddy.
Because they're Kamen Riders? They may have not been the main character, but they definitely should have been more important than they were, otherwise there was no reason for them to be Kamen Riders if they were going to be so wish-washy with their gear and just have no impact on the story.

Not too mention its hilarious how ZECT can create a Zecter that allows a person to beat time-stoppers, travel to different/alternate timelines or universes and dimensions, move at FTL speeds and reverse time but a Zecter that simply uses the power of other Zecters to augment the offensive ability of Hyper Zecter is too rabu rabu mean to the other Riders with exception of the Hoppers and Gatack.
Those weapons and abilities didn't make the other Riders useless, though, that's the point. They sideline them so Tendou can outshine already side-cast characters. It's ridiculous to bring up something like that and just take characters out of the fight.
 

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