From Follow the Ranger? Where he pretty much did nothing except posture and act like a stupid child along with his brother? The episode made both brothers look like jokes but Moltar at least had the hardware to make himself look tough. Flurious came off worse since as well being stupid, and as well as not contributing anything good to the plan, he was dumb enough to put Norg in charge of a prisoner as important as Mack. The earlier fights did make him look good but his little team up with Moltar hurt his credibility more than it helped it.
That's your viewpoint, I think he came off stronger then his brother since if you paid attention to their bickering, it was clear that Flurious WAS bullying his little brother and more then likely DID do something to Moltar's little red wagon. He was the aggressor and the stronger of the two.
The Norg thing was stupid but hey, every villian does that.
I'm still talking about levels of 'involvement' and hanging back is a lesser form of involvement than actually doing stuff.
Or it's a way of establishing a character as someother then a)brutish ie, Moltar or b)punching bag as in Gayja.
Well even if you didn't, it was shown that he was and you can look back on that time as a period in which he was planning something decent. With Flurious, at best you could say that he was biding his time, waiting for the right moment, but that still doesn't speak towards him having an increased level of involvement.
So him rushing out and getting his ass handed to him MULTIPLE times right away makes him a better villian?
I'm not talking about substitutions. I'm talking about wholesale removal. You completely remove Moltar from the show at this point and you lose the show's current primary antagonist and all of the character and plot development that has occured due to his machinations. Taking Miratrix out would have a lesser impact but almost every piece of development relating to Dax would be lost, as would the plot developments of Kamdor's introduction and all of the jewel related stuff they were in the middle of. You take Flurious out completely and nothing really changes. The stuff that has happened with Flurious there would likely have happened even if he wasn't. In the premiere, Moltor still would've attacked. In The Underwater World, the rangers still would've gone to Atlantis, still probably would've fallen foul of some of the booby traps and Will still would've been all 'I'm work alone' until the end of the ep. And in Follow the Ranger, Moltor would've attacked anyway and probably would've done better without Flurious there to argue with.
*Sigh*
Nothing happens storywise WITHOUT there being reprecussions, DI. You of ALL PEOPLE know this to be a fact. You remove one villian, and a power vacuum forms. And that power vacuum WILL BE filled one way or another. Most likely in the scenarios you present by Flurious taking up the slack and becoming more active early against the Rangers.
As I said, not talking about substitution. Substitution, as you said yourself, can be applied to pretty much anyone in any show. And Gajya's plan that episode was to get the Boukenger to work for him. It only turned to 'DIE!!!' when they refused.
And that worked out so well for him as a character didn't?
That makes no sense. It would've been much more straightforward to just him not revert to human form. The dude got rushed by all 18 vehicles. If the writers actually wanted him dead, they wouldn't have tacked on that scene of him returning to his resting place. Maybe the team-up wasn't the reason for it, maybe the writers simply wanted to end the series in a way similar to how it began but it makes no sense to think 'not dead=not important'. By that 'logic', all the MotDs that die and stay dead are more important characters and that doesn't even approach being true.
You'll pardon my language but that's bs. Master Org and his GaoRanger counterpart got PULVERIZED by ALL of the Power Animals and he DIED. He BlOWED UP REAL GOOD. There is a valid precedent for Sentai shows with a similar setup to Boukenger. And that precedent is to KILL the main villian with a combined attack by the individual mecha.
Aside from that, I'd hard pressed to remember a recent sentai where the main villian
wasn't killed off. So for the writers to NOT kill him off and suggests they really didn't care about him or consider him a worthwhile character. And offering the reason that they're saving him for the team-up doesn't make much sense since MOST of the time IIRC, the team-ups tend to feature a brand new villian more often then not.
Moltor is the major villain at this point. Flurious has done nothing to earn that title.
I don't see that. I see Moltor as the villian that's been the most active at this point but very little about his character suggests he is the major villian. Particularly when you'll note that very little of the footage involving him is NZ, aside from the stuff in his lair.
How does that equate to being more involved? The question isn't "who's better/stronger/faster/whatever" it's "who's more involved".
I believe the discussion has become who is the better villian and why as in what makes one a better villian then another.
Which they still ended up using anyway and in Task 9, Gajya uses the DS for his own purposes anyway. Do Miratrix and Kamdor even know who Flurious is?
I think that footage was reshot but as of right now, I would guess Kamdor/Kandor does kow who he is because that would fit his character. Miratrix I doubt knows who either brother is.
Sorry, but that argument doesn't hold water with OO being as it is. Go and watch Both Sides Now and observe how Kamdor gets free and then come back and tell me that the writers are a.) limited by Boukenger's (exceptionally episodic and thus easier to ignore completely) story and b.) not 'flippant' about how they use their characters.
They're limited because it's not only a question what they know but WHEN they knew it. You can kind of tell when they're figured out the end of one segement of Boukenger's season like finishing up on all the individual rangers initial focus episodes.
And yes Bouken's writers were VERY flippant with Gayja. That's why he got a lot of close-ups to show off his goofy facial expressions.
Well I don't disagree with that at all. I just still don't see how any of that means that Flurious is currently more involved in OO than Gajya was in Boukenger. I'm sure that, when the time comes, it'll be Flurious who gets his hands on the completed crown and starts wreaking havok until the rangers stop him and at that point, I might accept that he was more involved, but as of right now, he blatantly isn't.
When you've got one villain lurking behind the scenes (without actually pulling any strings which would've been fine) and another right in front of the camera (pulling faces), the one in front of the camera will always be more 'involved'.
Yes and... no. The one that's more in front of the camera can be more involved but that one also has more episodes to appear in and a different set up of circumstances regarding how his character is handled.
And then there is the matter of what he ACTUALLY DOES IN FRONT OF the camera. Gayja, literally does NOTHING that directly impacts the main story that Flurious doesn't also do. The only thing either does that does directly impact and become 'involved' is Doll/Island arc which is replicated in both PR and SS. Other then that, neither directly impacts the story or becomes involved. Yeah Gayja has his sad attempt at revenge but then he wets himself and it goes nowhere.
