Kamen Rider Wizard, Ep 1 - "The Wizard Uses Rings"

I know what you mean. The first time I watched it, I didn't even realise it was meant to be the theme tune; I thought it was just the background battle music :sweat: But I heard the cleaned up version this morning before work and I've been humming it to myself all day.

I just watched the TV-Nihon version. It's the usual O-T vs TV-N differences. Over-Time has a more natural voice, while TV Nihon keeps the Japanese word order as much as possible, to the point where occasionally I'm not sure what the sentence means. On the other hand, TV-Nihon pick up on some words that the O-T version skips over, doesn't pretend the word "sempai" is a person's name (sorry, pet hate - it's just not a translatable word - throw it in and make the newbies read the wikipedia page) and doesn't ignore or alter English words/phrases (from both characters or the belt). The only difference is that TV-N's love-it-or-loath-it animated fonts don't seem as high a quality this time around. Not a fan of the drawn ring-symbols.

Mage or Magician doesn't both me so much. It does feel a bit odd to read "mage" but that's because I'm also working my way through TV-N's Magiranger subs, which consistently translate 'mahou' as magic, so magician seems more obvious given that I can hear that character saying 'mahou' in their sentence.

Well from all the sub discussion /m/ gets all the time about what O-T decides they generally aim for a fluid complete translation and in English you don't use a variation of "Sempai".

In Fourze it could get translated because in that connection English have a fitting word. But beyond that not really.
 
So, I finally got around to watching Wizard after mourning the ending of my favorite show to date, in Fourze. I like it. It's pretty cool, simple but not to over the top like I expected.

The only negatives was the call command is annoying but the suit is pimptastic with the coat all he needs is a Pimp Ring so I could hear "BITCH, PLEASE!"

I'm digging it thus far.
 
It's just so weird to see mage when in the show he's clearly a wizard. I think that's a case where TVN is being too literal again.

Mage isn't a literal translation of mahoutsukai at all. The most literal possible translation of mahoutsukai is "magic-user," which translates each of the compound word's two morphemes separately. This translation is so literal that most Japanese-to-English dictionaries won't actually suggest it as a possible meaning. A typical range of meanings offered by a Japanese-to-English dictionary found online for mahoutsukai is "magician, wizard, sorceror, or witch."

For fun, I asked my friend who is a pro TL to tell me what options her electronic Japanese-to-English dictionary offers for mahoutsukai, and they are: "magician, sorceror, wizard, necromancer." The Japanese dictionary specifies that "mahoutsukai no obaasan" might be translated as "witch or sorceress."

Mage is, IMO, a perfectly good English synonym of the words that a typical dictionary would suggest for mahoutsukai. That said, it is a very non-literal choice, one that makes good use of English's flexibility as a language. I would hope people would stop blindly accepting the stereotype that TVN subs are necessarily more literal than other options after this.

I'm not going to pretend to be an expert in Japanese language.

You cannot offer this as an excuse, then make statements like "sempai is not a translatable word." When you make an assertion like that, you are asserting knowledge of how Japanese and English work as languages. Your statement is fair game for rebuttal from others . And it is vital that others rebut what you said, because it is completely wrong.

Sempai is difficult to translate, especially in certain genres. Difficult and impossible are two completely different things. I have never met a professional translator or Japanese professor who would agree that sempai is untranslatable. Even translators who prefer not to to translate honorifics usually concede that it's a stylistic meant either as a shortcut, or pandering to fans.

I just can't think of an English term that conveys the same meaning and at the same time just using their name seems unsatisfying because I can hear that that's not what they said. That's all.

That's because this is not how translation works. It is not about finding one word that always corresponds to the other word. English and Japanese are unrelated languages, so a majority of the words, phrases, idioms, and basic grammar rules of the two languages do not correspond directly. The art of translation between the two languages is about compensating for that.
 
I'll put this as nicely as I can.


As a man who has never been a fan of gimmicks, detests them on a general prinicpal, and only barely tolerates them in series where I feel they're done the best (Kuuga specifically) this show can go to hell.

This was an assault of smug, noise, singing belts, and TOYS. MORE TOYS.

Oh and wacky music.


I'm out.

I gave it a shot.

I'm out.


NOISE MORE NOISE!

Christ. There is a good plot buried underneath all of the bullshit, but this is more a toy commercial than ANYTHING THE 80S EVER PRODUCED.

Especially that final fight. That's what broke my back.

Just I'm done.

Goddamnit, another year I have to skip Kamen Rider. At least Fourze didn't disinterest me away until the 5th episode.
 
Well, I just saw the TV-Nihon version, just for kicks and giggles.
Yeah, the "mage" thing did feel like it came out of nowhere, but since I don't know enough about the common differences between mages, magicians, wizards, witches, and what not, then I'm not in a position to complain or nitpick.

I'm not in a position to say who the better translators are, nor do I want to start a debate about it, but I'll stick with Over-Time. The video quality is better, and that's a huge plus with me. Softsubs also, always a good thing. And finally, there is just a certain charm to Over-Time's subs that I just love. I fell in love with it when I saw Fourze. When I learned T-N didn't know how to handle "Uchuu Kita!" at first and decided to keep it as is, that just sealed the deal for me, and I left them in the dust. Use to love TV-Nihon, but it's time to let better groups and communities take over.

I will say that T-N's video quality did look a little better this time around, but it's still nothing compared to what Over-Time can do. And sorry if it seems like I just keep advertising for that group, but that's me. I like being faithful and sticking to what I love. I know there are multiple groups subbing multiple Tokusatsu shows, but after a while, it can get really tedious.

Hmmm. Could someone please PM the links to these two sites? As well as to anyone who is subbing Ultraman Retsuden as well?
 
NOISE MORE NOISE!

Christ. There is a good plot buried underneath all of the bullshit, but this is more a toy commercial than ANYTHING THE 80S EVER PRODUCED.

Especially that final fight. That's what broke my back.

Just I'm done.

Goddamnit, another year I have to skip Kamen Rider. At least Fourze didn't disinterest me away until the 5th episode.

If you don't want to watch anymore Wizard just because it's a toy commercial and it's too noisy, then it's too bad because I think this series has alot of potential and it will probably be a good Kamen Rider series when it's all said and done.
 
NOISE MORE NOISE!

Christ. There is a good plot buried underneath all of the bullshit, but this is more a toy commercial than ANYTHING THE 80S EVER PRODUCED.

Especially that final fight. That's what broke my back.

Just I'm done.

Goddamnit, another year I have to skip Kamen Rider. At least Fourze didn't disinterest me away until the 5th episode.

Try to watch the second episode. I wasn't a fan of the CG fighting in the first one, but the second episode had a pretty good bike battle.
 

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