Kamen Rider OOO - Talk Up!

[Lynxara]

In terms of being developed as a character, Akiko is god tier among Rider female supporting cast. She's pretty amazing by the end of the show, she really feels like a well-rounded person.

Hina is not amazing right now, but we're only on episode 6. As of episode 6 of W, Akiko was still a crap tier character who was paper-thin and totally annoying.

The leading females in Rider just take a lot time to develop (or decisively not develop), since on average they get no more than 10 minutes of screentime in most episodes. Often a lot less, more like 5 minutes.

Hina seems to only get one or two scenes focusing on her per episode in OOO. So Hina's not much right now but may get a cool arc that really changes her in the future.

Of course, she also might not. Kobayashi doesn't always care about writing interesting females. It'll probably be very hard to have a handle on what's really going on with the character before the show's midpoint.

 

[Black Fang]

That's because you think the most important thing for a female character is to be "feminine" :rolleyes2: She doesn't need a brain, a personality or a Rider gear, oh no! She just has to look pretty.

I think you're confusing me for someone else. And how many times have I said otherwise "pretty" toku girls weren't worth much? So try again.

And since you mention it, no I'm not really hung up on the prevalence of female Riders, or lack thereof like some people are. Female characters don't need to be Riders to be worth something.

I think Hina's cute, but it doesn't bring anything to her character. She should do something other than be the passive, cutesy damsel in distress. Even her super strength isn't a positive quality, since she doesn't actually DO anything with it

I never said Hina was a brilliantly written character, just that I liked her. If she doesn't change too much from here to the end of the show, I wouldn't really mind. If, per your suggestion earlier, she ended up being romantically involved with Eiji, I wouldn't really mind that either (though it would be three years in a row now where characters became couples and we could try something else), but it's not the way I would take it. Right now I like their present dynamic of Eiji being the source of reassurance.

 

[Hidden Masta]

OK, suppose Wakana's actress had played Akiko and vice versa? Then what would you think?

Honestly I didn't care for any of the 3 main females in W.

 

[dchoc]

Honestly I didn't care for any of the 3 main females in W.

:rofl2:

 

[lazycoconut]

Female characters don't need to be Riders to be worth something.

Why not? The most important and popular male characters are always the Riders. Toei, through lack of female Riders, is basically saying "women don't need to be heroes! They just exist to look pretty and support men!"

I never said Hina was a brilliantly written character, just that I liked her. If she doesn't change too much from here to the end of the show, I wouldn't really mind. If, per your suggestion earlier, she ended up being romantically involved with Eiji, I wouldn't really mind that either (though it would be three years in a row now where characters became couples and we could try something else), but it's not the way I would take it. Right now I like their present dynamic of Eiji being the source of reassurance.

It's the standard hero/damsel-in-distress dynamic. It's boring and cliche. Why can't we have a change from that just for once? Hina is a load and a burden to Eiji. He has better things to do than run around after her.

On the whole, giving a character one cool trait and thinking it substitutes for a personality is just plain bad writing - particularly a main character. That's why Yuusuke in Decade was unpopular

 

[Reimon]

mmm, blueberries~

With strawberries~

 

[Hidden Masta]

Why not? The most important and popular male characters are always the Riders. Toei, through lack of female Riders, is basically saying "women don't need to be heroes! They just exist to look pretty and support men!"

What about G3? He wasn't important.

[HIDE]j/k XD[/HIDE]

 

[NeonZ]

Why not? The most important and popular male characters are always the Riders. Toei, through lack of female Riders, is basically saying "women don't need to be heroes! They just exist to look pretty and support men!"

That's just a consequence of young girls not watching and buying Rider toys as much as boys. If they did so, or if boys bought toys of female characters as much as they did of male ones, we'd get real female Riders outside of the movies.

On the whole, giving a character one cool trait and thinking it substitutes for a personality is just plain bad writing - particularly a main character. That's why Yuusuke in Decade was unpopular

How is that like Yuusuke at all? Most people just complain about him due to not transforming enough.

Well, there were the 4 Inoue episodes too, which handled him pretty badly in addition to the usual lack of transformation, but all the "Yuuseless" jokes and such were around before those episodes. There aren't many complaints about his personality itself.

 

[Black Fang]

Why not? The most important and popular male characters are always the Riders.

I wasn't aware Tachibana Tobei, Ichijo, Goro, Kagami Riku, Owner, Ryubee, or Ankh were Riders.

Toei, through lack of female Riders, is basically saying "women don't need to be heroes! They just exist to look pretty and support men!"

Hina isn't supporting anyone right now, so your point is null and void.

It's the standard hero/damsel-in-distress dynamic.

Except Eiji has only "saved" Hina once, and even then he just told her to run when she wasn't even the target. Not really a grand act of heroism.

It's boring and cliche.

Like your crusade?

Why can't we have a change from that just for once? Hina is a load and a burden to Eiji. He has better things to do than run around after her.

Except she is the sister of the man who is otherwise dead if not for the monster inside him, who is providing him with everything he needs. Of course he would have concern for her.

On the whole, giving a character one cool trait and thinking it substitutes for a personality is just plain bad writing - particularly a main character. That's why Yuusuke in Decade was unpopular

First of all, Yuusuke had no cool traits. Secondly, you're taking what I said about Hina to proportions even I never thought of. I'm not allowed to like a character who happens to have a particular aspect you don't really see every day?

 

[lazycoconut]

Well, there were the 4 Inoue episodes too, which handled him pretty badly in addition to the usual lack of transformation, but all the "Yuuseless" jokes and such were around before those episodes. There aren't many complaints about his personality itself.

He didn't have a personality. The writers thought it more than enough that he was Kuuga, and didn't bother. Most characters are basic stereotypes, but at some point they have to be developed beyond that - "cute girl" doesn't cut it. Nor does "arrogant brooding guy" (Shintaro)

I wasn't aware Tachibana Tobei, Ichijo, Goro, Kagami Riku, Owner, Ryubee, or Ankh were Riders.

They're hardly the stars of the show though are they?

Hina isn't supporting anyone right now, so your point is null and void.

No, it's not. She was constantly doing her brother's dirty work when he was with her, and now that he's not, she trails around after Eiji or the Couscoussier woman instead

Like your crusade?

:rolleyes2:

Except she is the sister of the man who is otherwise dead if not for the monster inside him, who is providing him with everything he needs. Of course he would have concern for her.

Only as part of his hero-complex, and that's more of a character flaw than anything else

First of all, Yuusuke had no cool traits.

He was supposed to be Kuuga, the most iconic Kamen Rider of the Heisei era. So the writers thought that was enough to base the character on and didn't bother to give him a personality