Kamen Rider OOO Rumor/Picture Thread

Would that mean that both of you are illogical? :sweat:

Impulse87 said:

well another AGITO was just another guy who managed to achieve full evolution into AGITO which is why he was so powerful, gills is an incomplete form of AGITO, meaning something went wrong with the evolution

which kinda brings up the question, is Exceed Gills the complete form of AGITO that Ryo was supposed to transform into? :shakefist

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But he didn't really. Because Agito is literally about evolving towards the Overlord (Shining). AA never made it beyond his base form. And yes, it was powerful, but like Leangle, he is ultimately the weakest rider. I always took it as AA being closer to a true Agito than Gills, since he has a similar rider kick to Agito, and his henshin wasn't self-destructive. But he was still an imperfect Agito, hence his organic form.

GWolf said:

But he didn't really. Because Agito is literally about evolving towards the Overlord (Shining). AA never made it beyond his base form. And yes, it was powerful, but like Leangle, he is ultimately the weakest rider. I always took it as AA being closer to a true Agito than Gills, since he has a similar rider kick to Agito, and his henshin wasn't self-destructive. But he was still an imperfect Agito, hence his organic form.

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I'm not about to say anyone's wrong, but Agito is an organic Rider as well. He's not mystical. His body goes through changes as well as Gills and Another Agito. The reason I think people differentiate Gills and Agito is because they SHOW Gills in pain, and his body actually changing. THAT IS AGITO. You mutate/evolve. Just because he's perfect Agito doesn't his body isn't organic, it's just isn't scarred. The Seed of Agito is a mystical power that enters the body and genetically pushes the human to mutate/evolve. That's why they display abilities before transforming and becoming an actual Agito. It's just separable, that's all.

Also, Another Agito is the same as Agito. Let's just say, they're are two paths. You usually take the right one because that's where your school is. But say you're from a different school, you'd take the left. Another Agito is Agito. He probably has other forms but never achieved them because of his obvious short stay. He wasn't ever meant to be a main Rider to even evolve. It was just to show the viewers that another form of Agito exists as well, and it may appear monstrous. I'm also pretty certain there are more than just Another Agito, Agito, and Gills. There are probably infinite solutions as to how one can evolve/mutate.

Japaneseseriesfan said:

I'm not about to say anyone's wrong, but Agito is an organic Rider as well. He's not mystical.

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The Seed of Agito is a mystical power that enters the body and genetically pushes the human to mutate/evolve.

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These statements are problematic. Agito is mystical or it isn't. It's really not logical to say that Agito isn't mystical even though the thing that creates Agito is mystical.

If the Seed of Agito is mystical, then it makes sense to say the evolutions it causes are still a basically mystical process. For Agito to be truly "organic" like, say, Shin, I think there would need to be no magic involved in the process whatsoever.

(And yeah, I'm aware I'm arguing that, say, Amazon would be mystical by this argument. But why not? He's created by a mystic bracelet, how could he not be mystical?)

Lynxara said:

These statements are problematic. Agito is mystical or it isn't. It's really not logical to say that Agito isn't mystical even though the thing that creates Agito is mystical.

If the Seed of Agito is mystical, then it makes sense to say the evolutions it causes are still a basically mystical process. For Agito to be truly "organic" like, say, Shin, I think there would need to be no magic involved in the process whatsoever.

(And yeah, I'm aware I'm arguing that, say, Amazon would be mystical by this argument. But why not? He's created by a mystic bracelet, how could he not be mystical?)

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Well if we went with that line of thinking we couldn't consider Shin organic either seeing how his state was the result of technological manipulation. Thinking it over probably the only Riders that could be considered even remotely organic would be Kiva and Dark Kiva, if only for the fact their powers seem to stem from both the Kivat's and their own Fangire nature.

Hidden Masta said:

Mutated into a biological Rider.

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Hidden Masta said:

A biological Agito.

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:eyebrow:

Kiryurules said:

Another Agito? :eyebrow:

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Yes...?

GWolf said:

Isn't the entire point of Gills and Another Agito that they are imperfect forms of Agito?

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I guess.

Hidden Masta said:

No Another Agito is just another....Agito. Plus I really have no idea what he is. lol

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*facepalm*

urugoji said:

Another Agito was an Agito whose form was distorted by the user's insanity. According to DiEnd, Gills is the result of the Seed of Agito being implanted in an incompatible human. So, yeah.

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Are you really using Decade to explain something in Kamen Rider? :eyebrow:

Impulse87 said:

well another AGITO was just another guy who managed to achieve full evolution into AGITO which is why he was so powerful, gills is an incomplete form of AGITO, meaning something went wrong with the evolution

which kinda brings up the question, is Exceed Gills the complete form of AGITO that Ryo was supposed to transform into? :shakefist

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Gills was powerful too. It must be something with the compatibility with the Seed of Agito from what I see. :hmm:

thepan said:

Just got myself an iPod Touch for my early xMas Present :sweat: and decided to give it a try at some book store, .. and I saw this, more Birth Goodness :laugh: .... in case some of you haven't see these.

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:O_O:

KamenRiderGanja said:

Anyone else buzzed for Kamen rider Birth? :megarock:

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You're a little late. :sweat:

Hidden Masta said:

How do you live life sounding so wrong?

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Hidden Masta said:

.....So you admit you're wrong? Sweet.

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Point for Hidden Masta.

dchoc said:

Would that mean that both of you are illogical? :sweat:

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Point for Hidden Masta.

GWolf said:

But he didn't really. Because Agito is literally about evolving towards the Overlord (Shining). AA never made it beyond his base form. And yes, it was powerful, but like Leangle, he is ultimately the weakest rider. I always took it as AA being closer to a true Agito than Gills, since he has a similar rider kick to Agito, and his henshin wasn't self-destructive. But he was still an imperfect Agito, hence his organic form.

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Why does a kick make Another Agito closer to being like the Overlord? If you didn't notice, he really wasn't the kicking type. Don't they all have organic forms? This is a problem.

Lynxara said:

These statements are problematic. Agito is mystical or it isn't. It's really not logical to say that Agito isn't mystical even though the thing that creates Agito is mystical.

If the Seed of Agito is mystical, then it makes sense to say the evolutions it causes are still a basically mystical process. For Agito to be truly "organic" like, say, Shin, I think there would need to be no magic involved in the process whatsoever.

(And yeah, I'm aware I'm arguing that, say, Amazon would be mystical by this argument. But why not? He's created by a mystic bracelet, how could he not be mystical?)

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Agreed.

Blue Saint said:

Well if we went with that line of thinking we couldn't consider Shin organic either seeing how his state was the result of technological manipulation.

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Sure he's still organic. Technology creates all sorts of things that are still purely organic and basically made of organic things.

Lynxara said:

Sure he's still organic. Technology creates all sorts of things that are still purely organic and basically made of organic things.

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That is bio-technology though, the end result may be an organic life form but the origins are still rooted in technology. I was just saying if we view any of the Agito Riders as mystical due the cause of their transformation it would be hypocritical not to do the same for Shin. I mean always saw Shin as basically a body-horror tinged Ichigo.

No, look at it this way. I'm an organic being. I was technologically modified to not have any tonsils. Does that make me an inorganic being? Not exactly.

To my mind, Shin is still an organic being, he's just been technologically modified with bug-monster bits.

This distinguishes him from the cyborg Riders, who were technologically modified with inorganic bits.

I always thought Another Agito was on the same evolution level as Agito Ground form.


Meanwhile Gills was in a league of his own....cause he's a mutant freak...