Kamen Rider Drive - News/Rumours Thread 1

[Lockon]

Apparently I'm the only one that remembers constant iterations of "Kick Strike!...FABULOUS!!!" :redface2:

Then again, I'm from the school of "it's just a brand name". If a show is cool then a show is cool. I'm not going to sit there with a little clipboard list saying bike, kick, compound eyes etc demanding that Drive ticks all the boxes.

Well, while I'm with that for most everything else, but the bike? Kind of a necessity for a "Rider" wouldn't you think?

 

[KamenRiderBaron]

Then again, I'm from the school of "it's just a brand name". If a show is cool then a show is cool. I'm not going to sit there with a little clipboard list saying bike, kick, compound eyes etc demanding that Drive ticks all the boxes.

What do you mean just a brand name? It's a 43 year tradition and would be a big **** you to Ishinomori's legacy. Taking the "Rider" as in the bikes out of Kamen Rider wouldn't make it an unique Toku show anymore. It would be JUST like taking out the Mecha in Sentai. AND please do not bring up Gorenger and JAQK.

Also here's my modern non fanboy reason why they need to keep the bikes, Toei does more with the bikes than we think. All Riders, on their bikes and yes I know Gaim is on a horse but he's a samurai(so it's perfectly acceptable, it's more akin to a bike than a car would be) and Gaim does still have official bikes for the series, as seen ridden by Ryugen and Baron. Not to mention the bike scenes showing all the riders on their bikes in the crossover movies, like OOO, Den-O, All Riders: Let's Go Kamen Riders, Super Hero Taisen etc. I just don't see how they can have that same effect with one rider in his car...I've thought about this alot. And I have faith Toei will keep the tradition, they aren't stupid, they know not to go against the structural concept. And not fans who think Kamen Rider is just a "brand name " And haven't you heard of structure? Sentai-spandex, mecha, kaijin, explosions(Go-Busters being the one exception), Ultraman-kaiju, human guy bonding with giant alien, an organization?(don't quote me on that, not an Ultraman fan)
Kamen Rider-insect like features, armor, bike, kaijin, henshin belt. (Hibiki being the one exception) The point is everything has tropes and a structural concept.

 

[lazycoconut]

Do we as yet have any evidence at all that there will be no bike in this series? All we have is a trademark for the name and some none-too-clear set pics of the suit and car. Won't there be plenty of time for bike angst after the show's official reveal?

 

[KamenRiderBaron]

Do we as yet have any evidence at all that there will be no bike in this series? All we have is a trademark for the name and some none-too-clear set pics of the suit and car. Won't there be plenty of time for bike angst after the show's official reveal?

I've been saying this for the longest. But I always have to rant whenever people say there won't be a bike or when people get pissy at fans who defend the bikes lol. :laugh:

honestly, I do agree we're speculating too much for something we know the bare minimum about

 

[Black Fang]

That's a very nice poster.

 

[KamenRiderAzrael]

Why is the poster there? :redface2:

 

[KamenRiderBaron]

Why is the poster there? :redface2:

I originally used it to reinforce my comment about Toei/Bandai using the bikes more than we think. An Black Fang like it :anime:

 

[KamenRiderAzrael]

True.

 

[Toku Prime]

Well, while I'm with that for most everything else, but the bike? Kind of a necessity for a "Rider" wouldn't you think?

My understanding is that the word "rider" has entered into common usage in Japan with a slightly different meaning - more like how we would use "biker". Their understanding of it has certain implications of behaviour and attitude rather than just literally being "someone riding on a bike". Lead characters like Shinji, Ryotaro or Gentaro certainly don't fit the biker stereotype, so I'd argue that the series has long since violated the spirit of the title, even if they all physically sat on a saddle at one point.

What do you mean just a brand name? It's a 43 year tradition and would be a big **** you to Ishinomori's legacy. Taking the "Rider" as in the bikes out of Kamen Rider wouldn't make it an unique Toku show anymore. It would be JUST like taking out the Mecha in Sentai. AND please do not bring up Gorenger and JAQK.

There are quotes that Kuuga's producer said he wanted to re-write how people saw Kamen Rider. Agito brought in many tropes previously more typical of Metal Hero and other toku franchises. More recently, interviews with Urubuchi have made it clear that the current situation is that Bandai comes up with a toy line and the showrunners basically just make a show to promote it. We haven't had cyborgs, most Riders are in no way modified to become Riders and some use biological transformations so you're looking at their actual changed faces rather than a mask. The tone has changed from dead serious to full camp and back around again (sometimes in consequtive episodes). We've dropped bug eyes sometimes. We've had shows that haven't used the words Kamen Rider outside of the title card. We've had villains with goals completely different to taking over the world. We've had villainous Riders. Heck, we've had a Rider that was completely CGI.

Just about every aspect of Ishinomori's formula has been rendered optional over the years. So should the bike be any different? Not for me personally. Other toku shows have had bikes. Various Sentai, Metal Heroes, other Ishinomori shows like Kikaider and Akumaizer 3, and so on. I care about watching enjoyable toku shows, not what the name should stand for. I'm not saying you're wrong if you do care, just that it's not so important to me.

 

[KamenRiderBaron]

My understanding is that the word "rider" has entered into common usage in Japan with a slightly different meaning - more like how we would use "biker". Their understanding of it has certain implications of behaviour and attitude rather than just literally being "someone riding on a bike". Lead characters like Shinji, Ryotaro or Gentaro certainly don't fit the biker stereotype, so I'd argue that the series has long since violated the spirit of the title, even if they all physically sat on a saddle at one point.
There are quotes that Kuuga's producer said he wanted to re-write how people saw Kamen Rider. Agito brought in many tropes previously more typical of Metal Hero and other toku franchises. More recently, interviews with Urubuchi have made it clear that the current situation is that Bandai comes up with a toy line and the showrunners basically just make a show to promote it. We haven't had cyborgs, most Riders are in no way modified to become Riders and some use biological transformations so you're looking at their actual changed faces rather than a mask. The tone has changed from dead serious to full camp and back around again (sometimes in consequtive episodes). We've dropped bug eyes sometimes. We've had shows that haven't used the words Kamen Rider outside of the title card. We've had villains with goals completely different to taking over the world. We've had villainous Riders. Heck, we've had a Rider that was completely CGI.

Just about every aspect of Ishinomori's formula has been rendered optional over the years. So should the bike be any different? Not for me personally. Other toku shows have had bikes. Various Sentai, Metal Heroes, other Ishinomori shows like Kikaider and Akumaizer 3, and so on. I care about watching enjoyable toku shows, not what the name should stand for. I'm not saying you're wrong if you do care, just that it's not so important to me.

Ok ok, alot of that I wasn't aware of til now. So thank you for the information, especially about the Bandai toyline part. I admit, the show has evolved and adapts but I still do care about the tradition and structure. So I can agree to disagree on that