What exactly is wrong with TV-Nihon subs?

[KingWilly]

1. Download torrent program and install
2. Download Torrent
3. Use torrent in torrent program to get file
win

Yes... This is very advanced. I can see how this would make things so very hard to get stuff.

They sub, encode, and release. Damn you OT for making it super hard to get things this easy.

Why should I install a program just to use a torrent that will allow me to download the file that will need another special program to play correctly?

Why can't I just go to a website and press play instead?

It's good that this isn't a lot for you, but you seriously can't see how anybody outside a very strong fan of the shows will find that to be a hassle just for a better translation and picture quality? People just want to see the shows.

On a site that displays how you make things work, with links to the things needed right next to. They can't make easier without making everything size 100 so it fills the main page.

I was referring to releasing videos in formats that will distribute throughout the internet more effortlessly. Why do you have to just go to O-T's website to get O-T's subs? Formats that could be uploaded in more places will make it easier to find shows subbed by them that doesn't involve using torrents (in which many older shows like OOO's and W are incredibly slow in downloading with the small number of seeders).

As much as I dislike TV-N's way of translating things, they found a format that works.

 

[Shir]

just download the CCCP and play it with MPC.

 

[NAND NOR]

If someone is really that inconvenienced by having to download and install at best two things from the internet to watch something ... then that's on the individual's shoulders and not the shoulders of the people providing the content.

Some of you people are making this sound like watching a fansub is some sort of rocket science and it's not. Maybe if you had to download something every single time ... maybe. But this is a one time download/install that will last you pretty much forever. Get over it and expand your knowledge/experience a little.

 

[Drazic]

Compared to every other way available to watch a show, yes torrenting is a very advanced technique. Maybe you have been doing this for years, in which case great for you, but you can't magically expect every one else to even consider it.

There is no reason for O-T to not make things easier to watch.

You seem to be forgetting that this is piracy. While I want to make it possible for people to watch the things we work on that is different from making them as widespread and mainstream as possible or catering to the lowest common denominator. So the problem with what you're saying is that we have to adjust to the lowest common denominator and not release subs in a way we ourselves like just cause someone is too stupid to use a torrent client? That doesn't make much sense especially as Toei and other japanese companies have been way more active in attacking streaming sites like youtube than torrent sites. As I said, this is piracy and you seem to forget that. Making subs more widespread and mainstream isn't always in our best interest.

(I'm not O-T staff btw, when I use we I'm referring to my own group).

 

[KingRanger]

Why should I install a program just to use a torrent that will allow me to download the file that will need another special program to play correctly?

Why can't I just go to a website and press play instead?

It's good that this isn't a lot for you, but you seriously can't see how anybody outside a very strong fan of the shows will find that to be a hassle just for a better translation and picture quality? People just want to see the shows.



I was referring to releasing videos in formats that will distribute throughout the internet more effortlessly. Why do you have to just go to O-T's website to get O-T's subs? Formats that could be uploaded in more places will make it easier to find shows subbed by them that doesn't involve using torrents (in which many older shows like OOO's and W are incredibly slow in downloading with the small number of seeders).

As much as I dislike TV-N's way of translating things, they found a format that works.

OT releases MP4's. Near every damn thing plays MP4. You just want to argue for the sake of arguing. You don't really even care about the issues. You just want to leech. Ok then. That just sums up your end of this. MKV works, MP4 works.. My god....

 

[Toku Prime]

As for your problems with WMP, afaik those should all be fixed if you install CCCP. The codecs it installs can be used by WMP as well (I haven't used WMP in quite a while though so correct me if i'm wrong).

I have installed it, following the instructions on their website. It seems to affect the classic player not the standard one. I'm sure there is a codec to make it work, my only point was that you do have to do something to the player, as KingRanger had previously said that you didn't have to do anything. Personally I'm fine with codecs, so it's not an issue to me.

Are you blind? You prefer a awful re-encode of a 720p tv-rip just because it's "HD"? The MFC release is encoded at a smaller resolution because it's from a dvd source. A poor 720p tv-rip that's been awfully re-encoded won't magically look better than a proper DVD-rip just because it's a higher resolution.

I have no idea why you think tvn's geki looks better either. The tvn sub is a re-encode of what might even be the video H-S used. H-S' release of Geki has quite a few problems but it's not video quality (well, it's as good as you can get without buying the dvds).

Not blind, though my vision is considerably less than 20:20. However, it only gives me a problem with 3D images, I'm fine with normal TV images. In both instances I'm not just taking their word for it; I randomly selected an episode and downloaded it from each group, then played them back to back using the same player (in this case, VLC) to judge for myself. IIRC the Goseiger one was pretty similar but at the time I gave the slight edge to TVN. I'd look again for you but I don't have the MFC release on my machine any more. In the case of the Gekiranger release, I'd agree that they both look like TV rips. However, in the random episode I selected to compare (I think it was 32), the TV-N release was noticably better. The GS version seemed paler, almost "washed out" by comparison. It's entirely possible that it was just someone at TV-N fiddling with the saturation settings, or maybe it's just my machine somehow interpreting the data differently, or yes maybe it is indeed my vision, but personally I would say that an image with muted colours is not quite as good as one where the colours really pop out (especially when dealing with something as colourful as Sentai).

 

[Hell Kaiser Andy]

And if torrents really are that big an issue, fans re-host the O-T subs on DDL sites, with one extra click into the comments and some scrolling you'll find the links.

 

[KingRanger]

I have installed it, following the instructions on their website. It seems to affect the classic player not the standard one. I'm sure there is a codec to make it work, my only point was that you do have to do something to the player, as KingRanger had previously said that you didn't have to do anything. Personally I'm fine with codecs, so it's not an issue to me.

Not blind, though my vision is considerably less than 20:20. However, it only gives me a problem with 3D images, I'm fine with normal TV images. In both instances I'm not just taking their word for it; I randomly selected an episode and downloaded it from each group, then played them back to back using the same player (in this case, VLC) to judge for myself. IIRC the Goseiger one was pretty similar but at the time I gave the slight edge to TVN. I'd look again for you but I don't have the MFC release on my machine any more. In the case of the Gekiranger release, I'd agree that they both look like TV rips. However, in the random episode I selected to compare (I think it was 32), the TV-N release was noticably better. The GS version seemed paler, almost "washed out" by comparison. It's entirely possible that it was just someone at TV-N fiddling with the saturation settings, or maybe it's just my machine somehow interpreting the data differently, or yes maybe it is indeed my vision, but personally I would say that an image with muted colours is not quite as good as one where the colours really pop out (especially when dealing with something as colourful as Sentai).

I've pasted your comments here to Gust. I am hoping he can reply here to let you know just exactly how off you are.

 

[Toku Prime]

I've pasted your comments here to Gust. I am hoping he can reply here to let you know just exactly how off you are.

I'm not saying it looked horrible, just that there did seem to be a difference. Who knows, maybe it's just my VLC installation that's messed up? I'll download the episode again and try it in MPC, just in case.

 

[SamuraiEchidna]

Huh... It's kind of interesting to see this turn into a topic about video quality.

I try not to judge too harshly on video quality, but if the video's size (not to be confused with file size) is smaller than TV-N or uses a similar/worse compressed encoding, I probably won't bother. Might save the the soft sub files in case I get a better raw source, but that's about it. Really, I tend to judge a release based on how it will come out when I watch it on TV, because watching things on a TV set is a novelty that still appeals to me, my family, and any IRL friends I've made. Here's how I start my judging process:

1. I watch the subbed videos on my computer just as a preliminary watch, making notes of what I did or did not like. (like if there is fuzz or digital noise, etc.) This part isn't too important, it's just something to put in the back of my head just in case.
2. I put as many different file formats into a flash drive; softsubs, hardsubs, AVI, MKV, MP4, you name it. This will keep the video's original quality without having to compress it, resize it, or whatever else that might compromise what I all ready have.
3. I hook up the flash drive to the TV. Since I have a Standard Definition set, this usually means me using a device that will recognize the flash drive and its files. I mostly use my XBOX 360 for best results, but I have others that are just as good. EDIT: To be clear, I do prefer to use an SDTV set to set the bar. I've heard most HDTV sets tend to auto-correct or compensate for any flaws with the video source anyways.
4. I play each file side by side to see what it's like, but I compare similar things to each other. I'm only going to compare an SD release against other SD releases, same with HD (that includes 720 and 1080). I will not compare an SD against an HD.

So far with TV-N, my 360 can never play their SD releases (which are usually AVI) correctly. Not even their newer stuff comes out right. The audio gets out of sync every time, and the colors are all messed up. Bright colors are too bright and bleed out in glaring ways, dark colors are usually too dark, there is lots of glare and blur, etc. Their HD releases are usually better in all those fields, but not always.

With groups like Over-Time and whoever else, I never have a problem watching their stuff on TV. The audio is always in sync, the colors feel exactly like what you should be seeing if you were watching it air on TV for the first time, and so on. In fact, with certain groups, any minor problems I may have had with the video source disappear when I'm watching it on TV.

And even then, the releases I get from most softsubbers tends to be great even on computers. With TV-N's SD releases, I can always see a little bit of fuzz or blurriness. With the SD releases of most softsubbers, I can make out details MUCH more clearly. For example, with Over-Time's SD releases, I can CLEARLY make out every detail in a Kamen Rider's compound eyes. I could never do that with TV-N's version. It also probably helps that the video size of Over-Time's releases are usually a little bit larger too, probably closer to what they should be. Even with slight changes in quality, these circumstances usually hold true even when I comparing TV rip against TV rip, or DVD rip against DVD rip.

To anyone who would ask why I even bother with SD releases in the first place... I'm old school like that. I'm not going to download an HD version of anything in the first place unless it's worth my time (like the Super Hero Taisen movie).