top 20 most underrated/overrated anime

[garfield15]

This is all starting to sound quite elitist bigone.

 

[bigone]

You seem to be misunderstanding my terminology. When I say "legacy" I'm talking about the series itself, not what it's based on.

Doraemon is a series with like 1000+ episodes in its lifetime. They can always make more of it because it has clout. It's a thing people grew up on in Japan, and they'll always want more of it. Even when the latest incarnation is formulaic and dated-looking and not especially good, people will watch it because it's Doraemon and it's familiar and it's nostalgic.

Because it's so important to the Japanese people, the licensing costs are going to be very high. Bringing Doraemon over the the US would be a massive investment, so any licensing company would be insane to do it if they couldn't expect a reasonable return.

With a property like Doraemon, that return is far from guaranteed. Unlike the Japanese, people in the US are not going to watch it just because it's Doreamon. It's not especially important to anyone over here. So why would anyone pay the ridiculously high licensing fees to acquire the property when they could license something that is simultaneously cheaper and more appealing to current trends in the American market? Especially after similar properties (Conan and Lupin) failed miserably?



You seem to have learned that cultural differences exist, but not that they're okay. This is what I'm trying to emphasize: they are okay.

I mean, I'm sorry that nobody recognized your Char costume, but you should have realized going into it that the property was obscure in the US and that people weren't going to know what it was.

You can scold people all you want, but that show is just never going to mean the same thing to an American that it does to you.

but one piece is Big so in Pocket Monsters they are Vintage Franchises

we seam to use differing Definitions for along running show i say its got a XXXX episode Vintage and i use the Term Legacy for what they based on

so the term respecting legacy is something a alot of Modern Shounen anime does not do causeof the Large amount of Filler

 

[KingRanger]

but one piece is Big so in Pocket Monsters they are Vintage Franchises

we seam to use differing Definitions for along running show i say its got a XXXX episode Vintage and i use the Term Legacy for what they based on

so the term respecting legacy is something a alot of Modern Shounen anime does not do causeof the Large amount of Filler

Can anyone tell me what he just said? None of that makes any sense at all....:redface2:

 

[KouAidou]

but one piece is Big so in Pocket Monsters they are Vintage Franchises

we seam to use differing Definitions for along running show i say its got a XXXX episode Vintage and i use the Term Legacy for what they based on

so the term respecting legacy is something a alot of Modern Shounen anime does not do causeof the Large amount of Filler

Pokemon was imported to the US when it was still basically brand new and while the games were a giant hit. There was no way the anime could not succeed. And because we landed Pokemon while it was still new, we've gotten nearly all of its animated incarnations since -- it's become an American legacy franchise in its own right. Just like Japan, we have a generation of adults who grew up loving it and thinking of it as their own. The things it means to the Japanese are very similar to the things it means to Americans. So no matter how repetitive and pointless Ash's journey becomes, we'll keep importing more because the characters have become iconic.

One Piece is similar: the manga came out when manga in general was getting huge over here, and it rode that wave (along with Naruto and Bleach). Generally speaking, shonen fantasy-action properties (at least, those made within 10 years or so of their US release) tend to do really well in the United States, as long as they're marketed properly. So even if they're expensive, they're still a reliable investment.

Doraemon doesn't share these benefits. It's expensive to get rights to, it's old-looking, it has no wider media "hook" to ensure interest with kids, it has no teen/otaku crossover appeal to move DVDs. If a company brought it over, who would they market to? What section of the 2010 American cultural zeitgeist could Doraemon possibly ride?

TL;DR: There are a lot of reasons why series that are popular in Japan end up not succeeding in the US. It can be fun to talk about why X series succeeded and Y series failed, but you shouldn't take it personally. Ultimately, people will like what they like. Their reasons are their own. And there's nothing wrong with that.

 

[bigone]

Pokemon was imported to the US when it was still basically brand new and while the games were a giant hit. There was no way the anime could not succeed. And because we landed Pokemon while it was still new, we've gotten nearly all of its animated incarnations since -- it's become an American legacy franchise in its own right. Just like Japan, we have a generation of adults who grew up loving it and thinking of it as their own. The things it means to the Japanese are very similar to the things it means to Americans. So no matter how repetitive and pointless Ash's journey becomes, we'll keep importing more because the characters have become iconic.

One Piece is similar: the manga came out when manga in general was getting huge over here, and it rode that wave (along with Naruto and Bleach). Generally speaking, shonen fantasy-action properties (at least, those made within 10 years or so of their US release) tend to do really well in the United States, as long as they're marketed properly. So even if they're expensive, they're still a reliable investment.

Doraemon doesn't share these benefits. It's expensive to get rights to, it's old-looking, it has no wider media "hook" to ensure interest with kids, it has no teen/otaku crossover appeal to move DVDs. If a company brought it over, who would they market to? What section of the 2010 American cultural zeitgeist could Doraemon possibly ride?

TL;DR: There are a lot of reasons why series that are popular in Japan end up not succeeding in the US. It can be fun to talk about why X series succeeded and Y series failed, but you shouldn't take it personally. Ultimately, people will like what they like. Their reasons are their own. And there's nothing wrong with that.

The Otaku Crowd ie the crowd who Haruhi Lucky star and Pani Poni would like Doraemon that how the Dora and Nintama Hook younger fans in japan

there is no

 

[KouAidou]

The Otaku Crowd ie the crowd who Haruhi Lucky star and Pani Poni would like Doraemon that how the Dora and Nintama Hook younger fans in japan

... :sly:

Even assuming the American Otaku demographic would spend money on Doraemon (and I would like to hear a more detailed explanation of how this works in Japan, because I absolutely cannot fathom it)...

... you realize that that's a tiny, tiny portion of the American market? The series you mentioned are profitable because they're short (~13 episodes), can be licensed and dubbed for a song, and feature cute and marketable wank material girls to inflate their otherwise dismal sales numbers? And even then, these series do poorly -- Lucky Star didn't even finish its DVD release due to sales being that bad.

And this is the demographic you think will support a 1000+ episode Japanese cultural treasure? I... I don't even know what to say to that.

 

[bigone]

... :sly:

Even assuming the American Otaku demographic would spend money on Doraemon (and I would like to hear a more detailed explanation of how this works in Japan, because I absolutely cannot fathom it)...

... you realize that that's a tiny, tiny portion of the American market? The series you mentioned are profitable because they're short (~13 episodes), can be licensed and dubbed for a song, and feature cute and marketable wank material girls to inflate their otherwise dismal sales numbers? And even then, these series do poorly -- Lucky Star didn't even finish its DVD release due to sales being that bad.

And this is the demographic you think will support a 1000+ episode Japanese cultural treasure? I... I don't even know what to say to that.

in the Us Otaku Base there are People who understand the Cultural Iconography of Stuff like the Momotaro's Franchise lupin Sazene or Dora talking og Icons getting Licensed What About tetsujin 28 [as mecha fan this one of the Icons of Anime] also Crayon Shin chan got the Nod that is Long running and also Iconic maybe on in the same Vain as Dora Gundam LUM[this did get licensed]


Since say Ninatama or Doraemon are put in the Middle of Really popular Blocks of anime so the ratings guy at the studio watches the charts to see if it goes up or down when and of the afformetioned shows are one and of late they are steady but no anime will ever out do Chibi Maruko-chan and Chibi Maruko-chan 2 in ratings on average its pulled in an 8.75 a one is 750k viewers [No anime would ever Pull that anywere Outside of Japan that is fact]

 

[Lynxara]

Shows like Haruhi, Lucky Star, and Pani Poni Dash don't sell especially well in the US on DVD. Shows like this generally don't get aired on US television because they draw poor ratings when they do, so casual fans find the licenses obscure and see no reason to spend a lot of money on them.

The light comedy + cute girls + pop culture jokes formula that Japanese fans and hardcore American otaku like has very little innate appeal for America's mainstream anime demographic, which is generally teens and tweens looking for action and romance. The older casual fans that are around tend to find the school settings unappealing and prefer shows like Baccano or Darker Than Black.

You can certainly turn a profit off of niche fans interested in these properties simply because they're current and popular in Japan, but these shows don't have the "long tail" at retail that US anime properties need to become mega-hits. Most of those shows you mention dropped in price really fast on US DVD, Haruhi is already down to $30.

So it would be basically insane for a company to pick up something like Doraemon based on their sales of Haruhi or Lucky Star. Those licenses are just barely profitable as it is, while kids' anime that isn't supported by US TV broadcast has a long history of consistently bad sales on US DVD. And, really, there's no way in hell you're getting Doraemon on US TV after the failure of similar properties like Detective Conan.

 

[bigone]

what about how Kinnikuman was Handled an iconic anime like that Murdered
i admit Kinnikuman is a Spoof but the licensee took to far

 

[KamenRiderBiblio]

Shows like Haruhi, Lucky Star, and Pani Poni Dash don't sell especially well in the US on DVD.

That's because the one's who buy stuff like that are manchildren from 4chan. Do not remind me how every thread on /a/ is either Oreimo, K-On (Blech!), or some other moe crap.
When a show's only redeeming quality is the cuteness, it's a piece of ****.

This is why I love watching PSG. :castlerock: