Toku Fight Scenes

[kyo28]

I love the DVDs. They have some good extras on them too. There's plenty of behind the scenes stuff featuring the action of the show, even talk from the stunt people.

That's great! I love toku DVD's with extra's on them (worthy extra's, no crap like uhm say, Deka-talk on the Dekaranger DVD's): cast interviews, behind the scenes, datafiles, etc ... we can't get enough of those on DVD's. I mean, the media allows it so why not include it? (I'm looking at my Timeranger DVD's with no extra's now :redface2: ).
Back to Guyfred: if the story is good and the action scenes are well enough, then I'm there!:buttrock:

 

[Barom 1]

None of them have looked particularly powerful at all yet; in fact, they're the most generic of all New Gen Rider monsters thus far, IMO, whereas the Unknowns that Agito has to fight truly are Demigods, so it's a given that a victory is going to be a lot harder to come by there; he's fighting the proverbial 3 grown men, if you will.

Actually, I would say Unknowns in a fight compared to Worms would be more powerful than that comparison leads people to believe.

 

[Bolt]

Okay, yeah. You're right. The Worms only thing so far is that they are fast. Kagami beat one with just the standard ZECT weaponry. I take it that's an impossibility with the Unknowns.

The G3 unit do start developing weapons to combat them (G3/G3-X being the most obvious) much like they did in Kuuga, but of course it's not nearly as effective as they would hope.

Actually, I would say Unknowns in a fight compared to Worms would be more powerful than that comparison leads people to believe.

You're right, I was just using the kindergarten thing as an example. Worms so far seem to be a nuisance, but not really cataclysmically threatening. The Unknowns though really are like gods... plus the way they kill people is a lot cooler.

 

[Keith Justice]

I *was*. But it hit me that its retarded to guess on who can do what. Plus when I did say it it was mainly due to me thinking that Tendou isn't really a normal character/Rider and is more on the level of, "I make plot gods my bitch" so he could probably beat anyone. Then you got all serious on me.

Well, see... these characters aren't real. They're only as real as the person witnessing them wants them to be. So for me all I know about these characters is the episodes I've seen so for myself... there's absolutley nothing wrong with considering them within what I know of them and it's even fun for me. I don't have to, nor should I have to, suspend any thought or consideration on a character I wanna talk about because I haven't seen all the episodes.

:eyebrow: Is that an order?

Actually... kinda. :anime: One of the things here is that I don't want us to be a 133tz only club. So I never like hearing people be put in their place or be told what they can and can't consider or talk about when this place is for fun and enjoyment. Like Shouichi I like to protect a place where everyone is welcome. :thumbs:

Anyways. No, I'm still trying to be nice. (Less nice than before 'cause I'm a bit ticked.) Whatever. If you want to sit here and guess about who can do what, **** it. Have fun. Maybe you missed that it sounds like Agito has something to combat Clock Up. Apparently this place allows you to have magical powers that allow you to call a battle without knowing enough about either side. (Something everyone--yes, including me--has been doing. Kabuto's not finished. Its not fair, or that much fun, to have him face someone who's been through three times as much stuff as he has.)

Indeed... that should be the slogan of HJU: "**** it. Have fun!" I don't care if Agito's got something to combat the Clock Up... once I see it, I'll reconsider my stance, but even without Clock Up, as far as I've seen fo the two Riders... at this point... Kabuto would come out on top.

(BTW. Not getting into a "tizzy"...why does everyone talk so funny here...if you're going to argue over fictional characters, make a topic about which Toku characters can beat who. I'm sure something like that would last as long as the Henshin Hottie thread. You wanna keep using this thread, then write out how Agito would beat Kabuto or Kabuto would beat Agito. Write it like a novel, not "he would just be beaten by Shoichi's massive PWN aura!!!1111")

If someone wants to, that's cool. I just stepped in to what this thread had evolved into. Feel free to get it back on track.

 

[Sage Shinigami]

Well, see... these characters aren't real. They're only as real as the person witnessing them wants them to be. So for me all I know about these characters is the episodes I've seen so for myself... there's absolutley nothing wrong with considering them within what I know of them and it's even fun for me. I don't have to, nor should I have to, suspend any thought or consideration on a character I wanna talk about because I haven't seen all the episodes.

No you don't have to. You should though. Never should someone seriously sit and compare two characters without knowing as much as possible about them.

Actually... kinda. :anime: One of the things here is that I don't want us to be a 133tz only club. So I never like hearing people be put in their place or be told what they can and can't consider or talk about when this place is for fun and enjoyment. Like Shouichi I like to protect a place where everyone is welcome. :thumbs:

There's already a l33tz only club. Its call the people who can watch Raws and understand them. j/k Seriously though, I'm a bit of an all or nothing man, but from what you say, you're allowed to pit Stronger vs. super-1 in a fight and tell everyone who would win just because. Doesn't matter that you've never seen either show. Really, does that make sense?

Indeed... that should be the slogan of HJU: "**** it. Have fun!" I don't care if Agito's got something to combat the Clock Up... once I see it, I'll reconsider my stance, but even without Clock Up, as far as I've seen fo the two Riders... at this point... Kabuto would come out on top.

I like Kabuto too, but I must admit he's got it a bit easy. He's facing monsters that can be dispatched by mall cops.

If someone wants to, that's cool. I just stepped in to what this thread had evolved into. Feel free to get it back on track.

Meh. Why bother? This thread was knocked in the first....four posts?

The G3 unit do start developing weapons to combat them (G3/G3-X being the most obvious) much like they did in Kuuga, but of course it's not nearly as effective as they would hope.

Is he like the Mall Cops in that all he really does is dress up instead of having a henshin belt and whatnot?

You're right, I was just using the kindergarten thing as an example. Worms so far seem to be a nuisance, but not really cataclysmically threatening. The Unknowns though really are like gods... plus the way they kill people is a lot cooler.

What's cooler than spraying Silly String and/or Green Apple Kool-Aid all over people?

 

[Basri RX]

Worms so far seem to be a nuisance, but not really cataclysmically threatening. The Unknowns though really are like gods... plus the way they kill people is a lot cooler.

I do find The Unknowns to be cooler than Worms. Its not just the spraying that matters, it's also about how the victims die a slow death, sucking every bit of air out of them. :169:

 

[Keith Justice]

No you don't have to. You should though. Never should someone seriously sit and compare two characters without knowing as much as possible about them.

I don't know how "serious" I'm being about heroes with bug eyed helmuts kicking the crap outta rubber suited monsters.

It's just fun for me.

There's already a l33tz only club. Its call the people who can watch Raws and understand them. j/k Seriously though, I'm a bit of an all or nothing man, but from what you say, you're allowed to pit Stronger vs. super-1 in a fight and tell everyone who would win just because. Doesn't matter that you've never seen either show. Really, does that make sense?

I see what you're saying, but that is not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that based on whatever it is I know I am always allowed to say who I think would win, but not tell everyone who would win definitively.

At no point does anyone have an obligationt to pass some test of number of episodes to be able to talk about something. And again, like I've said near every reply, I'm more than willing to change my answer as I go on in both series. I'm not being a fanboy and making up my mind no matter what. I just take in to consideration what I know of the two characters up to this point and am sharing my opinion. Which is subject to change as time goes on, where as I think Agito fans will always say Agito wins, even if it's determined that Kabuto is God himself or if Shouichi does a public service announcement in Kabuto saying that he could not beat Tendou.

I like Kabuto too, but I must admit he's got it a bit easy. He's facing monsters that can be dispatched by mall cops.

This is true.

Meh. Why bother? This thread was knocked in the first....four posts?

Why bother? Because I thought you cared. That's reason enough, I think.

 

[Forever Knight]

There's already a l33tz only club. Its call the people who can watch Raws and understand them.

No. That Club are the people who don't let not having subs control what they watch in Tokusatsu. Quite frankly, from all the Subbed stuff vs. Unsubbed stuff in the fandom the Unsubbed stuff > without a second thought.

At no point does anyone have an obligationt to pass some test of number of episodes to be able to talk about something.

Right, but the person should atleast see the series and know what the hell they are talking about before saying anything about.

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<Person> "Red Mask is my favourite Red Senshi of all time! He completely owns Ryuuranger!"
<Person #2> Oh, so you've seen both shows?
<Person> No, just an ep or 2.
<Person #2> **blank stare**

Giving opinions on **** you haven't seen it like taking a Math test when you haven't studied. But that's just my opinion obviously, that's how I do my thing. Not saying any of you have to.

 

[Sage Shinigami]

I don't know how "serious" I'm being about heroes with bug eyed helmuts kicking the crap outta rubber suited monsters.

It's just fun for me.

The argument was more of a joke before you got there.

I see what you're saying, but that is not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that based on whatever it is I know I am always allowed to say who I think would win, but not tell everyone who would win definitively.

See Forever Knight's post.

At no point does anyone have an obligationt to pass some test of number of episodes to be able to talk about something. And again, like I've said near every reply, I'm more than willing to change my answer as I go on in both series. I'm not being a fanboy and making up my mind no matter what. I just take in to consideration what I know of the two characters up to this point and am sharing my opinion. Which is subject to change as time goes on, where as I think Agito fans will always say Agito wins, even if it's determined that Kabuto is God himself or if Shouichi does a public service announcement in Kabuto saying that he could not beat Tendou.

:laugh: That last one they could just say that he was just being humble. But I promise to ignore everyone and anyone who thinks Agito can beat Kabuto if he's finally revealed to be God or a god of some sort.

Why bother? Because I thought you cared. That's reason enough, I think.

I did, but this thread was knocked off topic with post #2. Continuing to make it make sense just isn't logical.

No. That Club are the people who don't let not having subs control what they watch in Tokusatsu. Quite frankly, from all the Subbed stuff vs. Unsubbed stuff in the fandom the Unsubbed stuff > without a second thought.

How did I KNOW you'd come after I said that? :laugh: Anyway, yes, subbed gets beaten by unsubbed because there's DECADES more of it.

Anyway, I could dispute your first statement, but at least before now we were PARTIALLY on topic. If I argued with you it would just kick this topic so far away from its original idea that a spaceship with Starburst couldn't bring it back.

 

[Shougo B'Stard]

But I promise to ignore everyone and anyone who thinks Agito can beat Kabuto if he's finally revealed to be God or a god of some sort.

Tendou's going to end up being a WORM, an alien -- no more, no less (especially since WORMS are useless). It's not "Kamen Rider Smallville" for nothing!

[HIDE]Whereas Shouichi was 100% Heaven approved, chosen by the Man of Light. He's free of ego, thoughts on nobody but others. He obtains the highest form of Agito (Shining), surprising even the Man of Darkness (i.e., Lucifer)![/HIDE]

So, no, Tendou's "lessons" aren't nice or helpful or heavenly in any way. It's about as cruel and useless as pet owners who shove their dog's nose in its mess after the dog has had an accident on the carpet. Annoying the **** out of Kagami until he "grows a spine" isn't any way to "show him a path" -- it would be being a good person and bring the inspiration to others to come to arrive to the path on their own, as what happens to a few who come into Shouichi's life.

It's not about picking favorites. It's that Shouichi is a much, much better person than Tendou could ever hope to be. Shouichi fights with the emotion to protect the lives of the ones he loves; that's more power than fighting just to show everyone how cool you are, that's more power than having a Fisher Price gadget to make you move in ultra-bad CGI speed.