There's No "Gay" In "Scouts"

[Kenori]

I know that I'm walking a very fine tightrope with this, so I'm going to try to stay as objective as possible, but I agree with Glamador for the most part. "Pedophilia" is a silly notion. Rape isnt. It all depends on maturity.

Let me put it this way and flip it around. There are people who are 18 or older who should NEVER have sex or have kids. They arent mature enough for it and they never will be.

There are people who are younger than 18 who are mature, both body and mind, enough to have a sexual relationship, and to have a hard line that says "No you arent" and if you dont agree you go to prison and get branded as worse than a nazi for the rest of your life, its kinda lame.

I'm not saying there is really any other alternative, but I'd prefer at least a case by case basis before sticking a label on everyone who supposedly did something wrong, even if they didnt.

Bah I've rambled on long enough. I'm sure most of us can agree that even kids who are in the scouts may be able to identify as "Gay" without it having any kind of sexual connotation and for them to be denied just because of that, well thats just bigotry.

 

[Dalek]

Teenagers are hardly rational beings , and I know it myself for I was one , and cannot fully comprehend the responsibilities and consequences of the act itself. How would it be ethical to allow the age of consent to lower itself to an age where teenagers cannot comprehend the full brunt, and then not only basically create a toxic culture where children drop out in droves like a third world country [where children have children anyways, and you know die.] but are in risk of diseases from unprotected sex they are most likely having as well as older people [or people in general] that will take advantage of them sexually.

This is extremely offensive. I grew up in a perfectly first-world country with an age of consent of 14, and none of these alarmist predictions held even remotely true. Turns out that properly educating children about sex and sexuality does one hell of a lot more for preventing these things than abstinence-only education.

Beyond that, you seem to be synonymizing pedophilia and child molestation. The one is not the other.

 

[Bigdog]

This is extremely offensive. I grew up in a perfectly first-world country with an age of consent of 14, and none of these alarmist predictions held even remotely true. Turns out that properly educating children about sex and sexuality does one hell of a lot more for preventing these things than abstinence-only education.

Beyond that, you seem to be synonymizing pedophilia and child molestation. The one is not the other.

Where'd you learn that at? In the propaganda book? Or are you afraid of the truth that teenagers are not developed enough to assess the risks. as evidence shows?

Also, pedophilia is wrong , just to let you know, and it never went well. Aka , the societies that embraced it were third world at best and what would be next? In Islamic countries such as Saudi Arabia and Egypt today, they have legalized marriage for as young as nine years old. Grade school girls are being married to older men as old as 80 and in some places in Iraq, boys that young are used as sex toys for perverted males. Are practices like this correct or even remotely for the pursuit of women's rights? It sounds highly misogynist and regardless of gender, highly wrong. We can argue "objectively", but we cannot forget the morality of taking such actions.

While pedophilia might not be associated with molestation, it opens the door for it and to remotely legitimize it despite the objective facts is worrisome.

You also seem to not realize that the advocates for lower age of consent aren't remotely made up of children, but of all adults. It's fairly easy, given Victorian mentalities, not to mention psychological studies , to connect the dots and point them as pedophiliacs, which is not far from the mark for child molester in many eyes, including mine. I was a teenager once and I seen others at my age. There's no denying they "could" be mature enough, but anyone "could" be mature enough for anything.

Younger brains are simply not prepared for sexual acts and bigger commitments and its a very rare case they are, even with education which should be done, by the way, by the parents themselves rather than at school or government as mandatory. Its society's issue when we promote the lack of discussing anything remotely meaningful such as race relations or sexual matters, especially within the home. Family discussions aren't that often anymore unless you are raised in a tight knit sort of fashion

Also considering that girls are more often targeted than boys, by justifying lowering the consent, you are pretty much saying that they are culpable to not only understanding the full ramification of their actions , but of accepting the consequences for them , pedophilia aside. Let's see how long these laws last until your country falls apart and degrades into a third world cesspool of disease, high mortality rates and corruption where children , especially of the female kind are sex tools.

I suppose you actually have never read history books in any way, have you?

 

[KingRanger]

This is extremely offensive. I grew up in a perfectly first-world country with an age of consent of 14, and none of these alarmist predictions held even remotely true. Turns out that properly educating children about sex and sexuality does one hell of a lot more for preventing these things than abstinence-only education.

Beyond that, you seem to be synonymizing pedophilia and child molestation. The one is not the other.

Wow... :redface2: Some people in this fandom are truly messed up.

 

[GoseiGold]

Anyone ever watch Penn & Teller: Bullshit? Because their episode on the Boy Scouts pretty much sums it up, aside from the experiment they did.

@KingRanger, i couldn't agree with you more about certain parts of the fandom.....

 

[Kenori]

Wow... :redface2: Some people in this fandom are truly messed up.

It has nothing to do with "fandom." There are people all over the world and in all walks of life, toku fan or not, who feel the same way. Its not even REMOTELY as black and white as some of you make it out to be. Again, living in the United States, there are HUGE stigmas about this sort of thing, and its a very fine tightrope that you have to walk to discuss it, or you're branded as "messed up" by closed minded people.

You know Kingranger, there are people in this country who still think same sex relationships are "messed up." Hell there are people in this country who think INTERRACIAL relationships are "messed up."

Point being, please do not judge a book by its cover.

I would just like to add that this whole Boy Scouts thing also went against girls who "Identified" as boys, regardless of if sex had anything to do with it or not.

 

[KingRanger]

It has nothing to do with "fandom." There are people all over the world and in all walks of life, toku fan or not, who feel the same way. Its not even REMOTELY as black and white as some of you make it out to be. Again, living in the United States, there are HUGE stigmas about this sort of thing, and its a very fine tightrope that you have to walk to discuss it, or you're branded as "messed up" by closed minded people.

You know Kingranger, there are people in this country who still think same sex relationships are "messed up." Hell there are people in this country who think INTERRACIAL relationships are "messed up."

Point being, please do not judge a book by its cover.

I would just like to add that this whole Boy Scouts thing also went against girls who "Identified" as boys, regardless of if sex had anything to do with it or not.

That you likened same-sex marriage to child molesters.... Yeah you are quite clueless.

 

[Kenori]

No i didnt, and that is the whole point of what im trying to say.

No compromises, no thinking about things and talking them out. Your way is the right way and thats that.

God I hate people like you.

 

[KingRanger]

No i didnt, and that is the whole point of what im trying to say.

No compromises, no thinking about things and talking them out. Your way is the right way and thats that.

God I hate people like you.

When it comes to certain things, there is only one way. If you want to talk out how being a child molester is an ok think you won't get any "talking out" from me or most sensible people. In some things there is no compromise.

 

[Kenori]

That is not what I said and you know it, do not put words in my mouth.

In fact I said LITERALLY the EXACT OPPOSITE of this not 2 or 3 posts ago.

"Pedophilia" is a silly notion. Rape isnt. It all depends on maturity.

Again, you're mixing up Pedophilia and Child Molestation.