Terminator Salvation - The Ending that ALMOST Was...

Skinwalker said:

Old ending or new ending, it's bound to be as bad as T-3... It's directed by the guy who did Charlie's Angels and Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle for Chris' sake.

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It will be but in a different way. It'll have his usual things while trying to be oh so DAAAARK. Also man, does Terminator really need face-huggers? C'mon.

Skinwalker said:

Yeah... Although there would still probably be another judgement day sooner or later. Taking down Cyberdyne only took out that Skynet, mankind constantly thirsts for advancing technology, so it would only be a matter of time before the same technology comes up again, whether Skynet or something else.

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If you want to only take the most cynical view of technology and humanity sure but I don't think that is where the story or its intended ending was coming from. Though to be fair, the story does say the future is not set. But I think for the purposes of telling the story of Terminator if you were going to ever have a sequel to the first at all T2 is the best way to do it and T2 ended it and ended it well.

mattcomics said:

The events of T2 splinter the timeline off in a new direction while Kyle, both T-800's, and the T-1,000 still happened. Headache inducing as it may sound, their future is still part of past events even though it is not the course the future takes after our heroes save it.

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And I'd agree if the alternate ending was used, but there's a reason we got the vague headlights on an empty street ending. James Cameron didn't want to close off any opportunities for future storytelling in the Terminator universe. Granted, T3 is definitely not what he had in mind, but T2 was not meant to wrap up the story completely.

Keith Justice said:

Still think T3 was the best of them all.

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I don't even know what to say to this...

Bolt said:

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I don't even know what to say to this...

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I make no apologies. I think people hate on it out of reflex, more than the movie's actual content.

I feel like it had the best well fleshed story and one of the boldest endings I've seen to a movie.

If there's any negative reflex there it's because the first two films were classics of the action/sci-fi genre and T-3 was a commercially-driven cash cow that tried to capitalize on the popularity of the previous films while packing it full of "socially acceptable" content (like Arnold being exclusively a good guy, being presented as almost have benevolent motives, and the T-X being a girl, which was pointless and kinda stupid) and recycling lines and trademarks from Terminator and T2.

Bolt said:

If there's any negative reflex there it's because the first two films were classics of the action/sci-fi genre and T-3 was a commercially-driven cash cow that tried to capitalize on the popularity of the previous films

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Exactly. And I think it's this assumption that has people pre-disposed to being already of the mindset of it sucking before actually taking in to account the actual content of the movie.

while packing it full of "socially acceptable" content (like Arnold being exclusively a good guy, being presented as almost have benevolent motives, and the T-X being a girl, which was pointless and kinda stupid) and recycling lines and trademarks from Terminator and T2.

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Expanding on the universe, kinda create a more cohesive world, and having the balls to end how it did. Yeah... T-X being a girl is a gimmick, but so was using new tech for the new Terminator in T2.

Sorry, but people disregard T3 too quickly. Kinda like Speed Racer.

Keith Justice said:

Exactly. And I think it's this assumption that has people pre-disposed to being already of the mindset of it sucking before actually taking in to account the actual content of the movie.

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Not at all, actually. The first two films were so good that I think everybody was willing to give T3 a chance and tried really hard to like it, except that it was just a big pile of crap. The second film was guilty of turning the dark, gloom-and-doom plotline of the first film into a big summer blockbuster action flick (the big summer blockbuster action flick, rather), but it took the story interesting places and lended itself well to another, darker sequel in the vein of the first film. T3 was kind of like the third Rush Hour film; by the end of the franchise, it had just turned into a caricature of itself, rehashing the same in-jokes and iconic moments without expanding on the mythos. I agree that the ending of T3 was well-done but that was about it.

I have to disagree. I heard poo-pooing of the 3rd movie from the very beginning and felt that sentiment surfed on through the movie's release. Poo-poo because everyone already wrote it off as just a cash-in and then disregarding all of what we started seeing.

T2.... didn't really go any new places. It was the same film as the first, only double everything. I enjoyed it, but I didn't get much more out of it.. well... anything more out of it. It didn't forward the story any... it just did it again, which is a complained I laid down on the movie when I was a kid and saw it.

I remember being blown away by the special effects, but was offput that it was "Terminator Again" rather than a forwarding of the story.

Where as T3 was forward moving all the way. All the way to the point of seeing the Terminators being created and to its very end of seeing the world destroyed and seeing John Connor take up his spot as the leader of the resistance.

Well, I guess I can't speak for the masses, but I personally didn't poo-poo it, anyway. I had high hopes for it aside from a few perceived marketing demographic overextensions (like the T-X being a girl for no reason) but was let down when I saw the finished product. I felt like with T2, Cameron got to make a film more in the vein of what he had originally set out to accomplish, but got blinded a bit by all the money they had to throw around and ended up with a somewhat schlock-entertainment project that had lost the dark, driving elements of the original while it upped its explosion rate. The third was like more of 2 (which as you already pointed out was a little superfluous on its own), only worse. Hopefully, Salvation will be somewhere in between the first two films and will stay away from the Star Trek: Nemesis sydrome.

Skinwalker said:

Old ending or new ending, it's bound to be as bad as T-3... It's directed by the guy who did Charlie's Angels and Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle for Chris' sake.

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Still that doesn't mean ****. People make bad films, but they learn from there mistakes. I heard McG has put ALOT of effort to make this film good. He doesn't want to disappoint the fans out there. I'm gonna give this a chance one way or another, since I loved of what I'm been seeing in the trailers so far. Especially this one:

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