Tensou Sentai Goseiger - Post-Series Discussion Thread

[Tom Constantine]

Also all of you. RATINGS for sentai, kamen rider, and shows like this DO NOT MATTER IN JAPAN. The toys are what matter. The toys sell, the series stays on. It's been that way for a long time. The MINUTE the toys start tanking is the minute Toei either ends sentai for a while or will change it drastically.

Den-O had the lowest ratings in that Heisei period I believe, but whose still making movies?

 

[lazycoconut]

If ratings are high, it's a safe guess that more viewers are watching thus more toys will sell

 

[KingRanger]

Haha, yeah, it does make me rather happy to see that Goseiger might not have been an epic failure on all fronts like I was lead to believe.

And I also think it's kinda cool to think of it as a Hibiki-like show where it's popular with the older crowd.
Do you need to repeat this point every time a discussion on ratings comes up? You obviously aren't invested in those discussions, just ignore those posts that discuss it if you don't like the subject. You quite often tell people not to make blanket statements, but you do the same in regards to this discussion. It's not like they don't matter to the TV stations and the advertisers who run their commercials during the shows.

It's part of the discussion. If it was just you guys saying yeah it got this and that rating I would have ignored it like I have been for a while, (you should know this as you are a mod and such and since you do know that you just said what you did for what reason?) but lazy used the ratings to say that people just don't seem to be into sentai, and that is just not the case. I know you understand that. I didn't make a blanket statement.

 

[KingRanger]

Den-O had the lowest ratings in that Heisei period I believe, but whose still making movies?

exactly.

 

[lazycoconut]

It's part of the discussion. If it was just you guys saying yeah it got this and that rating I would have ignored it like I have been for a while, (you should know this as you are a mod and such and since you do know that you just said what you did for what reason?) but lazy used the ratings to say that people just don't seem to be into sentai, and that is just not the case. I know you understand that. I didn't make a blanket statement.

I said that since Magiranger and Boukenger both did considerably better ratings-wise than Shinkenger, even though Shinkenger was very popular in Japan and got a bunch of movies/spin-offs that older shows didn't have, that I would imagine that for some reason there are just fewer people watching Sentai. Gekiranger was also popular with Japanese fans but look at the great big ratings dip from Boukenger to Gekiranger

 

[KouAidou]

If ratings are high, it's a safe guess that more viewers are watching thus more toys will sell

Not... really. In fact, as some have mentioned there are quite a few examples where the two seem to go in polar opposite directions. Hibiki had some of the highest ratings of Heisei Kamen Rider and the lowest merch sales; Den-O had very high merch sales and pretty dull ratings.

I mentioned in another thread, but Ohranger's toy sales actually went up (it became the highest-selling sentai of the period) even as its ratings went down following the sarin gas attack tone shift.

Obviously we'd need a much larger data set and maybe some charts to see if these incidents were outliers and one could pull any more general correlation between the two. But I think the connection is probably tenuous.

As we've seen in this thread alone, ratings can be influenced by a number of factors, and these factors are likely completely independent to what sells merch. I think this is just common sense; while many of us will buy merch based on what shows we like best, our decisions are also often determined on other factors as well, such as the quality of the merch itself. Certainly we've seen no lack of people just on these boards raving about toys for shows that they otherwise couldn't care less about. Similarly, I'm not going to waste my money on crap toys no matter how much I love the show built around them. (ex: GoseiGreat I would buy. GoseiUltimate I would HELL OF buy. Mystic Runner, hell no.)

I think it can be meaningful to analyze ratings, but you need to do it in a broader context rather than just looking at the straight-up numbers; this is what the producers are doing too, after all. If Goseiger's (and SHT's) ratings were sinking completely independently of any other factors, it probably would be a bad sign for the block. But knowing that the falling ratings started at exactly the same time a Pokemon variety show at the start of a new generation began airing in the timeslot muddies the picture substantially.

 

[Luna-Joker]

Den-O had the lowest ratings in that Heisei period I believe, but whose still making movies?

I thought that Kiva had worst ratings:hmm:
I could be wrong though.

 

[Skiks]

If ratings are high, it's a safe guess that more viewers are watching thus more toys will sell

Hibiki proves thats not really true.
edit: Lol someone beat me to it.

 

[KouAidou]

I thought that Kiva had worst ratings:hmm:
I could be wrong though.

It did. Den-O was second-lowest by a few tenths of a percentage point.

 

[Skiks]

I do believe Kiva also had bad merch sales. This is just my interpretation from how long kiva stuff was on sale after the series ended. It was actually easy to get the old DX toys for a long time minus Dark Kiva's belt.