Original Ultraman Release in US?

Guys, this is an unconfirmed rumor. Tsuburaya, which still has the rights to all the Ultra Series, has not licensed Ultraman for a US release. In fact, they are still reluctant to bring any Ultra Series to the US until their legal battle with Chaiyo is won.

If this is Chaiyo's doing, then they'll be in serious trouble (because they don't have the rights to the shows outside Thailand).
 
ryuuseipro said:
Guys, this is an unconfirmed rumor. Tsuburaya, which still has the rights to all the Ultra Series, has not licensed Ultraman for a US release. In fact, they are still reluctant to bring any Ultra Series to the US until their legal battle with Chaiyo is won.

But Ultraman Tiga is licensed for release in the US, so I don't see how it'd be impossible for release. Also the father company doesn't have to license for release themselves, they sell the rights to other companies to release in other countries. It's extremely rare for a father company to handle distrobutions in countries they aren't based in. TOEI has actually released a couple DVDs in the US but even that wasn't completely on their own I believe that was a joint venture with Geneon. However TOEI does have a corporate office in the US. Even if this is a rumor, it's still an interesting topic to throw around at licensing companies.
 
Kyusaku said:
But Ultraman Tiga is licensed for release in the US, so I don't see how it'd be impossible for release.

Then you have to wonder . . . Why is 4Kids laying low on Tiga? Probably at Tsuburaya's request. Because Tiga also got cancelled by the time this Chaiyo mess got more exposure in the media. AFAIK, 4Kids probably gave up on the license. I'll explain more below.

Also the father company doesn't have to license for release themselves, they sell the rights to other companies to release in other countries. It's extremely rare for a father company to handle distrobutions in countries they aren't based in. TOEI has actually released a couple DVDs in the US but even that wasn't completely on their own I believe that was a joint venture with Geneon. However TOEI does have a corporate office in the US. Even if this is a rumor, it's still an interesting topic to throw around at licensing companies.

Even if what you said was true, even if they COULD market the shows here, Tsuburaya is still reluctant to bring the Ultra Series to the US. Because you have to understand that Chaiyo is basically trying to damage Tsuburaya's overseas business! If those petty bastards can't have the Ultraman shows outside Thailand, they might as well try to sue the US distributor, claiming that they have all of the rights to Ultraman (which they don't). The US distributor could then back out not wanting to be part of any legal problems. Tsuburaya doesn't want this to be any messier than it already is.

Now do you understand what I'm saying? I want to see Ultraman on DVD in the US, too, but that'll never happen until Tsuburaya beats Chaiyo in court, whenever that is (soon, hopefully).

I'll believe this "rumor" if Tsuburaya announces it.

Bolt said:
Kyusaku for president.

And what the hell is this supposed to mean?
 
ryuuseipro said:
Then you have to wonder . . . Why is 4Kids laying low on Tiga? Probably at Tsuburaya's request. Because Tiga also got cancelled by the time this Chaiyo mess got more exposure in the media. AFAIK, 4Kids probably gave up on the license. I'll explain more below.

4Kids drops practically everything eventually, even their rights to Pokemon has been dropped from their hands. Pokemon was their biggest money maker. 4Kids is a terrible company in general. FUNimation still has the distribution rights for Tiga, so that license hasn't expired, nor has FUNimation mentioned anything about the Tsubarya vs Chaiyo court case. If the licensing in the US was so important in that case, I'm sure FUNimation would make a statement how it would affect their license.

ryuuseipro said:
Even if what you said was true, even if they COULD market the shows here, Tsuburaya is still reluctant to bring the Ultra Series to the US. Because you have to understand that Chaiyo is basically trying to damage Tsuburaya's overseas business! If those petty bastards can't have the Ultraman shows outside Thailand, they might as well try to sue the US distributor, claiming that they have all of the rights to Ultraman (which they don't). The US distributor could then back out not wanting to be part of any legal problems. Tsuburaya doesn't want this to be any messier than it already is.

Why would a company based in Thailand that has never done any distribution in the US affect their US distribution. Just because you've grown a great dislike towards the company yourself doesn't mean you point all the problems directly towards them. No US licensor has ever stated "Tsubarya refuses talks on licensing of any future Ultraman show because of their conflict with a Thai company known as Chaiyo." Asian market is very different from the Region 1 commercial market.

ryuuseipro said:
Now do you understand what I'm saying? I want to see Ultraman on DVD in the US, too, but that'll never happen until Tsuburaya beats Chaiyo in court, whenever that is (soon, hopefully).

I'll believe this "rumor" if Tsuburaya announces it.

I understand that you're pointing all problems and questions on a situation that you might have blown a little out of proportion. One little court case doesn't stop a company from conducting business. If what you say is true then who is making all the new Ultraman shows, it can't be Tsubarya because they're so afraid about the court case with Chaiyo. Or that they're going against their own wishes by making more Ultraman shows without the court case being settled.

You're really putting words into the company's mouth with these kinds of statements. Unless you're a marketing executive for Tsubarya or part of their legal department I don't see how your statements of Tsubarya refusing any negotiations on anything related to Ultraman as being valid.
 
Kyusaku, I have told you all I know about the facts. It has nothing to do with my personal hatred for Chaiyo, they are indeed the reason that Tsuburaya has been reluctant to bring any of the shows here. I rest my case. I'm done.
 
Chaiyo has the rights, for Thailand only, on ULTRA Q, ULTRAMAN, ULTRA SEVEN, RETURN OF ULTRAMAN, ULTRAMAN ACE and ULTRAMAN TARO (and JUMBORG ACE). They don't have anything else, which is why Tsuburaya Productions licensed ULTRAMAN COSMOS in Thailand a couple of years back. Anything after ULTRAMAN TARO, Tsuburaya Productions is free to license around the world. But, because of the tangled web of the ongoing lawsuits with Chaiyo, they want to wait until this matter is cleared up.

Here's a story from Henshin! Online about the details -- all from factual information:

TSUBURAYA PRODUCTIONS VS. CHAIYO PRODUCTIONS
Author: Bob Johnson

There has been much Internet buzz recently based on a court case going on both in Japan and Thailand. There have also been many reports in the Thai press. The case concerns something that is very important to many fans around the world, the fate of one of Japan's most recognizable icons, Ultraman.

On one side is Tsuburaya Productions, the company that created Ultraman and, for almost forty years, has produced television series and movies based on the character. The opposition is Thai filmmaker/businessman Sompote Saenguduenchai, owner of Chaiyo Productions, which also refers to itself as "Tsuburaya Chaiyo". Both sides have their own versions of the story and the outcome of the courts' decision so far. Sampote Thianthong of Pro Link of Thailand has been appointed Tsuburaya Productions' official agent and has been explaining the story to the Thai media for some time now.

The story began back in 1996, literally weeks after the death of Tsuburaya Productions' then president, Noboru Tsuburaya. Mr. Sompote approached Noboru's son Kazuo Tsuburaya, who had just been named CEO of the Tokyo-based company. Mr. Sompote presented him with a letter, allegedly issued and signed by his father in 1976, granting Mr. Sompote the international copyright to all Ultraman characters from the series ULTRA Q through ULTRAMAN TARO and another character, JUMBORG ACE.

When he presented this contract to Tsuburaya Productions in 1996, TPC considered it a forgery. In the very first line of the document, Tsuburaya Productions Co, ltd. is listed as "Tsuburaya prod. and Enterprise", a name it has never done business under. The fact that "productions" was abbreviated and rendered with a lower case "p", was a mistake that no one at Tsuburaya Productions would have let a document go out with. As the contract went on, some of the shows that it listed were under the wrong titles. ULTRA Q is listed as "Ultraman 1: Ultra Q" and ULTRA SEVEN is called "Ultraman Seven".

One question that immediately comes to mind is why Mr. Sompote waited over twenty years to come forth with his claim. There were ads in Variety and other media and industry publications by Tsuburaya attempting to sell these series to overseas markets. Not to mention the fact that some of these series also were running in overseas markets (including ULTRAMAN and ULTRA SEVEN in the US) during this time. Why didn't Mr. Sompote complain about violations of his rights when these were running? Obviously, in 1996, the one person who could have disputed his claims was deceased and unable to defend his company's rights.

Mr. Sompote also claims to have played a major part in the creation of Ultraman. As proof, he has presented a photo of himself showing Eiji Tsuburaya a book of photos of various Buddha shrines that he maintains look like Ultraman. However, there is no other evidence to support this claim. Mr. Sompote was a friend of Eiji Tsuburaya's and would occasionally visit him at the studios. This is apparently the extent of their relationship.

Tsuburaya Productions dismissed the contract, but out of respect for its founder Eiji Tsuburaya's friendship with Mr. Sompote, they granted him merchandising rights for Thailand and five other Asian countries. He accepted this, but claimed that Tsuburaya Productions had damaged his reputation in Thailand by disputing his contract. He asked the company to issue a letter to clear his name. He specifically stated that this letter must contain references to his alleged contract because he had already told his business associates about it. TPC reluctantly agreed and issued the letter under the intent that it would only be used in Thai business circles. The letter was not intended to be a binding legal document or to validate Sompote's "contract". This letter is now being used as evidence to support his claims that the original contract was valid.

Tsuburaya has brought the case to court. The first was in the Thai Intellectual Property and International Trade (IPIT) court. There were two more court cases at the Tokyo District Court and Tokyo High Court. All three courts ruled that TPC retained the copyright to Ultraman, the character they created. However, they ruled that Mr. Somopote would retain merchandising rights outside of Japan. Tsuburaya is contesting this and the case will be handed over to the Japanese Supreme Court later this year.

At no time was Tsuburaya Productions in a position to lose the copyrights to their characters, nor are they now. If Chaiyo retains their claim to the merchandising and distribution rights to overseas markets, what would this mean to the US, where ULTRAMAN TIGA is now being distributed? Some are wrongly speculating that it might loosen up the rights for the original ULTRAMAN to finally be released here in North America. However, Tsuburaya Productions still holds on to the original materials including negatives, English language soundtrack and all prints of the series, so anything Chaiyo could sell over here would be of dubious quality at best. Tsuburaya could still license the shows in the US, but most likely would avoid doing so until the final judgment is made by the Supreme Court. So, either way, for the time being, the fans lose.
 
Bolt said:
That I like him more than you or Bush.
I don't know what you have against me, but that was just childish. What did I ever do to get compared to Bush? I am very insulted. Thanks a lot.
 

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