Nolan Batman #3: The Dark Knight Rises

[Bolt]

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Are you saying that it's a bad thing that Nolan does that or are you just pointing out that that is how he operates?

Just putting it out there. Nolan definitely derives inspiration and certain details from the comics, so there is more authenticity to his characters than in past iterations of Batman on the big screen. But he's also a high-profile studio filmmaker, which means that whatever he devises has to sell. His Batman films so far have represented a fantastic and innovative middle ground between complete adherence to the elements of the comics and new techniques to ground the character in a new era and new aesthetic.

I actually think that's one of Nolan's most valuable strengths: he can write a story that's been told so many times that still retains a good degree of faithfulness and integrity but customizes certain details using his own stylistic brand, which makes even well-tread material feel original.

 

[Gold Samurai]

I feel Nolan crafted two films for the fans out there.

Whereas Tim Burton crafted two films for the general audience.

-Batman actually killed a clown in the second movie. This goes against Batman's moral code
-Lot of whiz, bang, one liners and Batman always arriving in a new vehicle for the final act(BatWing, Bat Ski boat)

why didn't he follow up on the Ra's Al-Ghul storyline?

If you would just wait for the third movie you might know that Nolan's final Batman movie is coming full circle with "Batman Begins"

Liam Neeson is coming back as Ra's. There's also a young version of Ra's. Possible for flashbacks.

 

[musashi03]

^ I agree, the sole use of villains that aren't familiar to the general public (Ra's, Scarecrow) is already a hint that Nolan actually gives weight to the fans more than those in the general audience. Using Joker and Two-Face as villains of the sequel made perfect sense to draw in everybody since everyone was hooked with Begins. The challenge now is to convince that Rises is a whole lot better than DK.

Of course I'm not forgetting that Nolan pretty much added his own twist to Batman and the villain's story.

If you would just wait for the third movie you might know that Nolan's final Batman movie is coming full circle with "Batman Begins"

Liam Neeson is coming back as Ra's. There's also a young version of Ra's. Possible for flashbacks.

Yeah, not to mention the rumors where Liam will be making an appearance in the 3rd movie... Not confirmed if it's just flashbacks or if he indeed cheated his death like what Ra's always does. And I guess the mere showing of scenes from the previous films in the trailer is also a clue that this movie will indeed go full-circle.

 

[SaikoDragon]

For one, Bane's main motivation for moving to Gotham city was the notion that fear controls the city

Bane encounters the League of Assassins and eventually Bane impresses Ra's al Ghul so much that he chooses Bane as his heir (an "honor" he had previously imparted on Batman).[7]

Ra's al Ghul and Bane then launch a plague attack on Gotham in the "Legacy" storyline. Bruce Wayne, again costumed as Batman, gets his rematch with Bane in Detective Comics #701 and finally defeats him in single combat.[8]

So I've been reading the Wiki about Bane and his appearances in Knightfall (I hope you're proud Musashi.. )

I still find the type of character boring. However, I read this bit about "Venom" (and the Legacy bit I quoted) and I think Nolan may be trying to tie Bane to Ra's Al Ghul. If Bane thinks the city needs to be controlled by fear, well that's exactly what Ra's stated in the first movie. So his daughter, Talia, may be supplying Bane with Venom to enhance his strength and take over Gotham. (hence, that green pool we saw photos of could be the Lazerus Pit which is, in Nolan's version, a pit of Venom)

I think there could potentially be a strong 'fear' theme tie in here. With Scarecrow, Ra's, now Bane all using "fear" as tools. Even Batman uses Fear.

So on that note, maybe Bolt isn't entirely correct in his assumption that Nolan isn't pulling inspiration from the comics. Maybe he is.

This new information kind of excites me a bit because it involves really strong continuity between movies and an overall central theme. If this isn't what Nolan is intending to do then I might be disappointed. I think we got the plot locked down here!

 

[Quark]

Begins and The Dark Knight were heavily inspired by existing comic stories, there's really no reason to assume he won't be looking to the comics for this one. (And the fact that Inception is basically an adaption of an old Donald Duck comic should only strengthen this belief (I'm being only half serious here)).

 

[Bolt]

So on that note, maybe Bolt isn't entirely correct in his assumption that Nolan isn't pulling inspiration from the comics. Maybe he is.

Begins and The Dark Knight were heavily inspired by existing comic stories, there's really no reason to assume he won't be looking to the comics for this one.

Again, I never said that Nolan isn't getting inspiration from the original comic storylines. In fact, I very explicitly said the opposite:

Nolan definitely derives inspiration and certain details from the comics, so there is more authenticity to his characters than in past iterations of Batman on the big screen.

What I'm continuing to state is that although he does pull from the source material, I think it's presumptuous to think that Nolan has knowledgable fans in mind any more than he does average viewers when he puts together his Batman films.


It's great to know that you guys are reading what I post, though...

 

[musashi03]

What I'm continuing to state is that although he does pull from the source material, I think it's presumptuous to think that Nolan has knowledgable fans in mind any more than he does average viewers when he puts together his Batman films.

I agree, almost everyone needs to do this in order for the movie to sell well since it's not really expected that everyone has read the comics as we've established in the previous posts. I'm still glad that in a sense, Nolan's movies become informative for the general public since it does have that method in giving non-fans a glimpse of things existing in the comics and wasn't touched upon in the previous films... Not just when it comes to characters, but when it comes to plot and context as well.

So I've been reading the Wiki about Bane and his appearances in Knightfall (I hope you're proud Musashi.. )

Meh, that would do I guess... But again, looking at how Bane has affected Batman in the comics, there is that small possibility that it will end with Bruce Wayne incapacitated and unable to hold the mantle anymore. That's one possible ending I see...

 

[Forever Knight]

I'm actually pretty shocked that Bolt is a big Batman fan. :buttrock:

 

[musashi03]

I'm actually pretty shocked that Bolt is a big Batman fan. :buttrock:

You guys have a new thing to talk about in bed now.

 

[Forever Knight]

I'll make him wear my replica Batman Forever cowl.

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