[Cartoon] My Little Pony Talkback Thread

The rest are laughing at those people.

If anyone is embarrassing the fandom right now, it's certainly not the critics or the creator. If I'm laughing at anyone right now, it's certainly not people willing to take MLP as seriously as critics have taken YA novels for years.

I mean, seriously, the issue of race in books and movies aimed at MLP's target demographic fills up any number of professional journals. Wait, but a cartoon isn't good enough to be discussed the same way because... it's a cartoon?

That's double-standard bullshit. **** that. MLP is brilliant, it stands up to any form of critical discussion.
 
For my money whenever you use a piece of pop culture for a discussion such as "race" it best to treat it as symptomatic of the wider culture. It is like when you discuss Song of the South or The Jazz Singer, discussing those works as if they were in a void is rather meaningless. Proper context is needed in these matters. And if we are going to treat these works we the respect they deserve than we need to view the along with the rest of our culture and society.
 
I feel like the original comments that touched all this off are acknowledging the work's cultural context. The entire criticism is grounded in the long-standing concept of otherness in fiction. This concept stems from the Other of continental philosophy. To apply it to fiction is all about looking at the work almost purely in context of the society that published it.
 
I can see where you can get that, but truth be told I personally didn't get that from the post. It may have been due to wording and the execution of the comment but my impression was that they were just accusations "racial insensitivity" rather than an earnest attempt to connect to a wider cultural context. I do admit some bias on my part though, I do judge statements rather harshly when emotional intensity is a prominent aspect of the argument.

Also this may just be my interpenetration but FiM does a lot to dispel the notion of the Other, with a focus on the similarities that bind us and teaching an appreciation of the differences that makes everyone unique while still connecting us to a greater whole. Honestly I saw the whole two part pilot as Twilight Sparkles' personal journey of dispelling the notion of the Other.
 
The tricky part though is, IMO, that if they wanted to have 'african american' Pony or 'asian' pony... how would we know? How would they make us know these guys are supposed to be the 'token black' and 'token asian'? I'm pretty sure there would be just as big an outrage if they decided to make Rainbow Dash play basketball, love grapse soda and talk stereotypically black! So basically if you want one of the pony to be affrican american or asian american then BAM! They are! I know Twilight Sparkle is often humanized with a darker shade of skin. And a lotus flower is pretty Asian *eyes the two spa attendants*

Or maybe you want ponys who grow rice, wear pointy hats and talk without pronouncing their 'r' correctly?

Basically if they wanted to show the ponies are different races (beyond Earth Pony, Pegasus and Unicorns) they'd have to use shorthand stereotypes for us to even notice, and that would just cause more criticism.
 
If anyone is embarrassing the fandom right now, it's certainly not the critics or the creator. If I'm laughing at anyone right now, it's certainly not people willing to take MLP as seriously as critics have taken YA novels for years.

I mean, seriously, the issue of race in books and movies aimed at MLP's target demographic fills up any number of professional journals. Wait, but a cartoon isn't good enough to be discussed the same way because... it's a cartoon?

That's double-standard bullshit. **** that. MLP is brilliant, it stands up to any form of critical discussion.
Oh, on the contrary, Lynx. I actually stand on the extreme side of your argument. I feel the show is above this kind of kneejerk Internet nonsense I'm seeing. BECAUSE it's so damn brilliant. Is it flawless? No. But brilliant nonetheless.

Consider: the show's been called "sexist" because of the lowered presence of male ponies in most episodes. It's been called racist, it's been called... what was that other term? "smart-shaming" cause the geeky unicorn sometimes gets showed what for? It's been called out for advancing corrupt politics. Really, I'm just waiting for it to be called homophobic and the circle will be complete.

The reaction of 90% of the viewers who look at the show and then look at those criticizers tend to laugh at them. Not by internet fans or "bronies" or whatever you want to call them (through they're certainly included). We're talking laughed and balked at by girls, by women, by mothers and daughters. Why? It "just being a kids' cartoon" isn't a reason, because there've been shows of much worse or better quality that are animated that suffer from some kind of stigma, however silent. A lot of them also aimed at a girl audience.

Why does Friendship is Magic hold up through all of this? Because (at least IMO) it's just that well done. It sidesteps so much just by avoiding the use of humans and color consistency in the first place. The rest is handled by leaning into well-worn stereotypes that would normally be hot buttons, and painting them in the most positive light imaginable.

We should have a whole lot of offended Southerners by now thanks to Applejack. How about Zecora, the CLEARLY African witch doctor who lives in the jungle? The buffalo look like Dances With Wolves characters! Truly this show has gone off the rails! Except nope! Applejack is lovable Southern Belle to a T. Zecora is painted as possibly the wisest pony within 50 miles of Ponyville, shaming Ponyville itself with how dumb their paranoia looks by the end of the episode. The Buffalo's case for their land is presented such that they come off far more sympathetic than our heroines! And in the end, it's the Buffalos themselves that resolve the situation. This show takes so many risks whenever it ventures outside of itself.

Meanwhile, we have the above criticizers of the last episode referring to any non-pony species as "non-white," and by association, all of the pony species as automatically some kind of white. I am scared for these people. I have to ask these people if they even listen to the words coming out of their own mouths. That kind of thinking, those kind of assumptions, are worse than the accusations they're spewing by so many margins it's not even funny.

I don't think FiM is untouchable. Feeling Pinkie Keen, by the same guy who wrote this week's ep, is proof of that. But outside of that fumble, nobody has come close to convincing me in any way that the show isn't kicking ass just doing what it's doing, even with Polsky on staff.

I'll criticize the show when I feel it truly screws up, and you've already seen me do so here! (If you want, ask me how I feel about most of the episodes before Winter Wrap-up!) But... it just doesn't screw up all that much. And even when it does, it's hardly cause for hyperbolic hysterics.
 
Um, except no one here (or in the LJ thread) was arguing that the show was terrible, was going off the rails, etc. They were pointing out a specific flaw that existed, and was problematic to them, and that they'd like to see discussed and perhaps fixed. Most people have said that they liked the show in spite of that. You saw a lot more raging in this thread just against Feeling Pinkie Keen.

It's completely ridiculous that you're losing your **** over people offering up criticism that you happen to not agree with. The only person engaging in "hyperbolic hysterics," at least in this thread, is you.

(And before you say "no I'm totally not hysterical!" I would cite your rapid double-posting earlier, between phrases like "I need to lie down" and "I'm calmer now." Even if you're joking, I mean... seriously? What about this situation is pissing you off that much? Does it hurt you that much to be forced to think for two minutes about racial issues in your escapist cartoon? The very fact that people might want to discuss the issue seems to offend you.)

Further, I don't understand how you can argue that people are crazy for reading the buffalo as Native American when Lauren Faust hired a Native American consultant for the episode. I mean, on top of the episode being a total retread of every indian vs. settler plotline going back to the turn of the century. You have both the work and the stated authorial intent reflecting that, but you still want to argue that it's completely inside the heads of that gosh-darn PC brigade?

Now, I mean, the episode was a good take on that conflict, I thought. I don't think anyone was arguing otherwise. But the quality of the portrayal is entirely incidental to the question of "are the buffalo supposed to represent Native Americans?" And once you assign a species to represent another race, it doesn't matter how good the message you've made about that race is. You still have to deal with the implicit statement you've made that other races are akin to other species, that there exists a "They" that -- even if we can put aside our differences and work together, even if we learn a lesson that "They" are not so bad -- is still, nevertheless, inescapably different from "Us". This is what "Othering" is.
 
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...Look. I'm not the biggest fan of this show. I'm...really not.

I have never watched an episode by myself...and I likely will never do so.

But really?

All of you who get wrapped up in this?

Chill the **** out.

Some episodes aren't AS good as others, some themes are a little odd, some are a bit suspect....

But this is a solid, consistently good show that has not made me want to tear out my hair, and any and all flaws people point out, up to and including the 'race' issue, is only an issue because you make it so because there's hardly anything else wrong with it.

Just enjoy the show, don't worry too much, and relax. At least this show is better'n some others I could mention.

Peace to the Herd.
 
...Look. I'm not the biggest fan of this show. I'm...really not.

I have never watched an episode by myself...and I likely will never do so.

But really?

All of you who get wrapped up in this?

Chill the **** out.

Some episodes aren't AS good as others, some themes are a little odd, some are a bit suspect....

But this is a solid, consistently good show that has not made me want to tear out my hair, and any and all flaws people point out, up to and including the 'race' issue, is only an issue because you make it so because there's hardly anything else wrong with it.

Just enjoy the show, don't worry too much, and relax. At least this show is better'n some others I could mention.

Peace to the Herd.

I'll ask you the same question I asked Pixel: What about the topic is pissing you off so much that you feel you have to post specifically to ask people to shut up about it?
 
Not to shut up but to tone down the complaints.

Its REALLY not that bad.

And its mostly annoying because the people who do complain about stuff like Feeling Pinkie Keen or the 'race' thing....

Its really a non issue.

Especially if you have to put up with shows that *DO* have legit problems.

Comparatively, the 'problems' of FIM are laughable and silly.

*Looking at you random seasons of Power Rangers....and aspects of Young Justice...*
 

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