Well, they WILL clash, but we don't know if Kouta's going to win just cause he's the main or that Kaito's going to be the bad guy. Heck, we might end up having a rather frightening inversion, where Kaito has to rein Kouta in when Kiwami finally takes its toll on him.
Kamen Rider Gaim Ep 39 - "The Deadly Tower Break-In Strategy!"
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Well, they WILL clash, but we don't know if Kouta's going to win just cause he's the main or that Kaito's going to be the bad guy. Heck, we might end up having a rather frightening inversion, where Kaito has to rein Kouta in when Kiwami finally takes its toll on him.
Black Fang
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Gaim 39:
- I don't get why the Gaim staff supposedly said that Jounochi is their favorite character. He rarely does anything and when he does he always has to be dragged into it. I wish his training with Pierre had been taken more seriously than not at all.
- Yes. Ruin that rallying moment with Peck croaking from his bed complete with cartoon effects. That's brilliant directing there :shakefist
- I'm not even sure I follow what Micchi's plan is anymore. Initially it was to carry out Project Ark because he and his brother thought Earth was doomed. Then Takatora and Kouta found (or so they thought) another way to save Earth and Micchi refused to accept that, plus Kouta's continual meddling. What's the point of all this again? Just find a way to have Helheim encroach on Earth in a manageable fashion via the Overlords' help?
- Why does Ryouma want back into the Tower, or to help the others?
- Wait, who has the Golden Fruit? Kouta or Roshuo? If the latter, why does Redyue say Kouta has its blessing? Or is Roshuo's Fruit the one that came in his world, and Kouta's Kiwami Lock the Fruit of Earth?
- Shouldn't Mai be wearing a belt so that she doesn't have to eat the Helheim fruit?
- Can the Kachidoki Lock be used on the DJ Gun for finishers, I wonder?
- A regular Invess is palling around with Overlords in the previews?
- I don't get why the Gaim staff supposedly said that Jounochi is their favorite character. He rarely does anything and when he does he always has to be dragged into it. I wish his training with Pierre had been taken more seriously than not at all.
- Yes. Ruin that rallying moment with Peck croaking from his bed complete with cartoon effects. That's brilliant directing there :shakefist
- I'm not even sure I follow what Micchi's plan is anymore. Initially it was to carry out Project Ark because he and his brother thought Earth was doomed. Then Takatora and Kouta found (or so they thought) another way to save Earth and Micchi refused to accept that, plus Kouta's continual meddling. What's the point of all this again? Just find a way to have Helheim encroach on Earth in a manageable fashion via the Overlords' help?
- Why does Ryouma want back into the Tower, or to help the others?
- Wait, who has the Golden Fruit? Kouta or Roshuo? If the latter, why does Redyue say Kouta has its blessing? Or is Roshuo's Fruit the one that came in his world, and Kouta's Kiwami Lock the Fruit of Earth?
- Shouldn't Mai be wearing a belt so that she doesn't have to eat the Helheim fruit?
- Can the Kachidoki Lock be used on the DJ Gun for finishers, I wonder?
- A regular Invess is palling around with Overlords in the previews?
NeonZ
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Essentially, it seems to be still carrying out Project Ark, just overseen by the overlords and Micchy himself rather than Yggdrazil. See his battle with Takatora where he boasts about saving more people than Yggdrazil's original plan. His attitude towards Reddue here might indicate that his plans are changing again though...
The Kiwami lockseed was created by the fruit's power. The fruit itself is still with Roshuo.
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Kai Yamato
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I like how Redyue tell Micchy to not get too full of himself because of his good bullshit performance last episode and that Kouta wasn't even fighting him at full power. >.>
HurricaneDragon
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Personally, I think at least a significant amount of stuff has changed from the original plan - I suspect at least part of it has to do with Kaito's popularity, since they said he was never getting the Lemon Energy Arms initially if I remember right. My suspicion is he may have hijacked a role initially meant for Takatora (though I do believe the fight with Micchy was something they had been planning from the start - it seems like the Energy Arms weapons were designed entirely so that Micchy and Takatora would be fighting with a weapon that doubled as a ranged and melee one, at least to me).
I mean, just look at the opening. The original Melon Arms has had a prominent role in it for nearly 40 episodes when it was in, what, four? Likewise, there seemed to have originally been some kind of subplot going on with Kaito and the mysterious girl, but she's barely in the show anymore... despite her prominent role in the opening sequence as well.
It's not like they could have filmed this much yet when they had made that comment. I have to think they might have bitten off more than they could chew with such a large cast, and all things considered, I would say they've still done a pretty good job managing them for the most part - much more than Wizard and Fourze did consistently with their casts, at any rate.
I think he's either got a crazy plan or he's just, well... crazy himself. :laugh: Unless he knows what's happening to Kouta, what in the world would he even do with all of the data he's raving about at this point?
I doubt he has any intention of helping anyone except himself, in any case. Who knows though? They may surprise us yet.
Wing Saber
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When it comes to Ryoma, he has his own agenda. Which is why the Riders don't trust him, however they're just using him to help rescue the hostages.
HurricaneDragon
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I just have to wonder what his agenda is. At this point in the series, I can't imagine him being able to make much of a comeback unless he thinks he can somehow use his precious data to win Redue or the king over.
lazycoconut
I liked him when he wasn't a god
They didn't update the opening sequence for the Energy Riders, though. And Kaito definitely has something going on with "our" Mai, whom both the opening (the images of Kouta and Mai reflected as Kaito and Alt-Mai) and other events in the show (Kouta's insistence on calling the girl Mai and promising to protect her, Mai asking "Are you me?" when they meet) suggest is Mai
HurricaneDragon
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The Energy Riders were never as important as those "core" three Riders, though, so I do believe they got proper representation in the opening in those brief shots where the weapons flashed by via the Sonic Arrow. That's the extent many of the other Riders besides "the (intended) main four" got. I would say one reason Zangetsu stuck around was because it may have been he was originally supposed to get his original Arms back (as he did), but have a more prominent role with them (which he may, but at this point it will hardly be a prominent role) until he faced Mitsuzane. Maybe instead of waiting around for all of those episodes after getting knocked off a cliff, he was going to be originally acting more proactive?
And I do think it may well be Mai, but the fact her appearances have decreased so drastically just strikes me as strange given how important she was initially in the show and how much focus she gets in the opening. There's obviously a reason for it, since it can't be due to the lack of being able to use the actress (like with Koyomi last year), and indeed, it could be because of plot related reasons that have been there all along, but who knows?
And as I said, they've already said Kaito's popularity has effected them in that he got Lemon Energy Arms. Think of everything that resulted from Kaito having that power boost - that very well may not have been in the original script at all, or at least to the extent it's been thanks to the quick jump in power there. That's not to say the product we got didn't flow fairly naturally from the perspective of the viewer, because I do think they've done a great job with Kaito as we have him now, but I just can't help but think that that wasn't the original idea.
I think you are clearly buying too much into the OP. It's very clear the person who made the OP for Gaim were not privy to most of Urobuchi's plans and made it reflecting what was already known in the first 15 or so episodes. The Ryugen and Zangetsu Shin appearing after Baron and Gaim even after Micchy has taken his brother's belt really shows that the OP isn't a reflection of the circumstances that is occuring in Gaim. It's like in Fourze's OP how Gaimu was shown above the twelve horoscopes in the OP, but it later turns out he is ONE of them.
He wants the Golden Fruit. Like Kaito he wants power, but discards friendship in his quest for it.
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