INCEPTION - Discussion Thread(SPOILERS!!!)

[Kamen Rider Armor Ninja]

Now that was one hell of an awsome movie.

 

[HaiTien78]

[HIDE]That's the thing. You dont know if it was a dream or not. The movie ended before you could see if the top would stop spinning or if it would continue to spin. yes the top wobbled but it kept spinning as it wobbled, leaving you to truly ponder what was real.[/HIDE]

No, see here's why you're wrong.

[HIDE]No it's NOT a dream.

They made it a point in the movie that Cobb cannot see his children's faces in the dreams. If it was a dream not only would it go against Nolan's common themes and his grand message of "getting on with your life" and "Building your own future" but it would also mean this movie pulled a Next (with Nicolas Cage) with the entirety of the movie not happening at all. The spinning top that was about to topple was Nolan's little trick to see if you paid attention to the movie and his previous work. To see if you got the message of the movie and understand his previous work.[/HIDE]

The only thing I don't really get is how Cobb and Saito got out of limbo in the end. Wouldn't killing themselves just put into an even further state? (because they were still under the effects of sedation)

Another thing that seemed fishy about the ending was how "easy" everything was with everything going according to plan. And the seeing the kids in the exact same position with the exact same clothes. Maybe it was all done purposely to raise more discussion?

They showed earlier in the movie that if you die in Limbo you can still wake up from it, you just need someone to pull you out of it. Cobb pulled out Mal and later he pulled out Saito as well.

Again it was another trick by Nolan. I mean there's nothing wrong with a good end is there?

 

[SaikoDragon]

No, see here's why you're wrong.

[HIDE]No it's NOT a dream.

They made it a point in the movie that Cobb cannot see his children's faces in the dreams. [/HIDE]

[HIDE]You misheard or misunderstood. Cobb was perfectly capable of seeing his children's faces. That's why when the the children in his dream turned toward him (when his dead wife called them) he looked away. He looked away willingly stating that he would not see their faces until he could do so in the real world, without the threat of being arrested.

That was the whole point of him turning away from their faces. The character even explains that. The wife, in fact, tells Cobb that he is capable of seeing their faces any time. He just refuses to do so. It was his choice. That was not them saying that he could not see their faces.

There was no good or bad ending. That's why they ended it focusing on the spinning top.[/HIDE]

 

[KRBlack]

:laugh:

 

[Inui Takumi]

Nope. It was only a dream while they enter dreams. The hanging question at the very end was did he escape limbo after he confronted his wife's memory or not.

My only problem with Inception is with such an incredible idea, after the movie was over there wasn't anything left for my mind to chew on. While the story technique was mind bending, the story itself was not mind bending at all. It was straight forward to a fault.

To this day my mind still chews on questions about reality and humanity that Memento and The Matrix proposed. I use those still in my everyday life and how I deal with my own perceptions.

Inception, while it delved into the human mind, it did it without really posing or tackling any mystery. There ended up being no large world altering implications to the story at hand other than a mental heist for some company's monetary gain. I'm not saying Christopher Nolan needs to make the movie I wanted, but... were any of you let down that there was no last second twist and grand reveal that made you question everything in the movie and then your own life?

Or.... did the movie do the right thing in *not* doing that because lately that's what every movie does or tries to do these days?

I dont think every movie needs to have a major twist to make you chew on it for a while. Its been a week since I've seen the movie and I'm still contemplating what happened at the end, just cuz its fun and it's been a while since a movie made me think about it to that degree.

also, I guess I'm one of the few that think this but:

[hide] I'm one of the people that walked out of the theater thinking that he was still in a dream at the end. And doing some reading around the internet of people talkin about it, i found one theory or explanation that the more i think about it, the more it makes sense.

The main thing is the totem. When he span it and turned a way it was spinning, when he saw the kids and hugged them and turned around, it was wobbling then went straight then wobbled just a bit then cut to black. It was already too long of a time span for it to realistically keep spinning. So, that's sorta one thing.

Also, one thing that they mentioned in the movie is that when you're in a dream, not everything is crystal clear. for example, you never remember the start of a dream. In the movie, they jump from place to place to place and sometimes it makes you wonder how they got there (like transition and all). And the fact that they never go deep enough to explain the technology of the sedatives and that machine can give the sense that you are jumping in midway into the story. Another thing is how there is a lack of technology used and a lack of readable text in the movie. This is pure hindsight, but on thing i do remember is Cobb lookin at his watch and it looked weird and kinda disconfigured. And, this is from someone else's observation, the only things you can clearly read in the movie are exit signs, since the brain sorta recognizes it even if you dont literally read it. Another thing is that their clothes are sorta timeless, so that you cant specify what time period they are in. I know the last one is week, but it sorta fits.

So one theory out of this, that is interesting to think about, is that this is all Cobb's dream. Dont know if im totally sold on it all being his dream. But its fun to think about. [/hide]

 

[Aoiblue]

[HIDE]I don't know, if it wobbles then wouldnt that mean it was about to fall down? I mean whenever we saw it spin in the dreams it never wobbled before.[/HIDE]

 

[Keith Justice]

This being the Inception thread, isn't it a given that we'll be talking about spoilers?

 

[Keith Justice]

No, see here's why you're wrong.

[HIDE]No it's NOT a dream.

They made it a point in the movie that Cobb cannot see his children's faces in the dreams. If it was a dream not only would it go against Nolan's common themes and his grand message of "getting on with your life" and "Building your own future" but it would also mean this movie pulled a Next (with Nicolas Cage) with the entirety of the movie not happening at all. The spinning top that was about to topple was Nolan's little trick to see if you paid attention to the movie and his previous work. To see if you got the message of the movie and understand his previous work.[/HIDE]




They showed earlier in the movie that if you die in Limbo you can still wake up from it, you just need someone to pull you out of it. Cobb pulled out Mal and later he pulled out Saito as well.

Again it was another trick by Nolan. I mean there's nothing wrong with a good end is there?

No, no... it's not that the whole movie was a dream, it's that the ending might have been one. After he went to limbo it's possible that he's still stuck there and all after he "escapes" is actually him still in limbo. Proof that he escaped would have been of that spin-top had fallen.

 

[Chronotia Archzenom]

I watched this movie on Imax here in my place and I really, really, really love it. This is perhaps one of those movies that I will really go for again. The plot is deeply written and then the way everything was executed just blew me off my chair. Got to admit, Nolan wrote such an extremely awesome film.

 

[SaikoDragon]

:laugh:

ROFLMAO That was fucking epic.