garfield15
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We don't know. All we know is that he's Zol or something and...yeah, that's it. I don't think they thought Narutaki out too well.
I just finished DCD..Sigh
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Savior Den-o
The Meteor has landed
Those are the only two that I don't hate, and made me watch some of the eps ( expect for hibki, cause his show sucks bawlz) And I have to say, DCD was bad and here I thought I LIKED the show:laugh:..................don't kill me:sweat:
big_j_ny
Just an Internet User Passing Thru
Wataru's speech from Movie Wars basically summed up how Decade's writing staff approached this series.........THEY DIDN'T MAKE A DAMN STORY.
That's basically my only gripe with Decade (besides making Kiva World look like ****), the writing staff clearly had no idea what the **** they wanted and it seemed every individual writer wrote random **** for their own damn selves.
It seemed like each writer that wrote for this "fanservice series" didn't try to make any effort in some way to work with each other to add consistency throughout the series to make it appear like they were trying to build a story for this "anniversary series."
But they didn't, and the end result was basically.....Aikawa wrote his episodes based on HIS INTERPRETATION OF DECADE, Kobayashi wrote her episodes based on HER INTERPRETATION OF DECADE (and more Den-O spam), Inoue wrote his episodes based on HIS INTERPRETATION OF DECADE, and Yonemura did the same as everyone else.....but worse.
Neither writer in the Decade writing staff appeared to not wanna work with each other, so we just got a messy plot as well as a messy execution of a messy plot.
Even a series that was JUST STRAIGHT FANSERVICE, it would have had a better "execution" of a messy plot than this one.
A concept of an all-powerful, ominpresent Rider like Decade was ruined because of an inconsistent writing staff with even some additional blame to the rest of the production crew as well.
That's basically my only gripe with Decade (besides making Kiva World look like ****), the writing staff clearly had no idea what the **** they wanted and it seemed every individual writer wrote random **** for their own damn selves.
It seemed like each writer that wrote for this "fanservice series" didn't try to make any effort in some way to work with each other to add consistency throughout the series to make it appear like they were trying to build a story for this "anniversary series."
But they didn't, and the end result was basically.....Aikawa wrote his episodes based on HIS INTERPRETATION OF DECADE, Kobayashi wrote her episodes based on HER INTERPRETATION OF DECADE (and more Den-O spam), Inoue wrote his episodes based on HIS INTERPRETATION OF DECADE, and Yonemura did the same as everyone else.....but worse.
Neither writer in the Decade writing staff appeared to not wanna work with each other, so we just got a messy plot as well as a messy execution of a messy plot.
Even a series that was JUST STRAIGHT FANSERVICE, it would have had a better "execution" of a messy plot than this one.
A concept of an all-powerful, ominpresent Rider like Decade was ruined because of an inconsistent writing staff with even some additional blame to the rest of the production crew as well.
KingRanger
Banned
Very well said. I couldn't agree more. They had an opportunity here to have something big. They could have done so much more. Instead of a toku steak, we got a toku turd.
NeonZ
Active Member
I don't think it's a matter of not being a full series.
Unlike some people who complain about Decade, he isn't just saying that there was no story or something. He clearly got the story... and just disliked it.
Even if there had been more time to execute it better, he probably still would dislike that conclusion.
Narutaki was someone who seemingly hated Decade from his Dai-Shocker days (considering how he goes all "told you so" in All Riders). We don't know why he hates him specifically though.
He wasn't a Shocker member originally. Tsukasa pretty much says that he only joined them because he hates him so much and the Zol disguise disappears after he's hit. It wasn't the first time Narutaki teamed up with monsters either.
It'd probably have been just a longer version of the movie that we got. Go back to the last episode, even in the original version, Narutaki talks about Decade killing every Rider and then dying himself. The main plot never changed.
Some details like Natsumi facing Decade, Yuusuke's brainwashing not getting randomly ignored and Tackle (who originally had a subplot about Stronger's death in Tsukasa's hands) would probably have been handled better with a longer running time originally intended (Decade vs All Riders was supposed to be a double feature, not part of a 3 episode thing), but I don't think it'd be significantly different from what we saw, at least, as far as the main plot goes.
The teaser didn't mention it, but Shocker remnants were mentioned in very early texts about the movie. Kiva-la's identity also was confirmed to be Natsumi in one of the magazines still talking about the original movie. The "true world" was just the "true form of the Rider War World" according to some of the side texts too, and still was in the final movie (the changed wallpaper), just completely irrelevant to anything...
Basically, I don't think the original ending was substantially different from what we got. Specific details and the execution might have changed, but the outline, which is what really irritates people, would be the same.
The only great advantage might have been Other Tsukasa or Narutaki as a possible final antagonist, rather than random encounter Doras. Although even the promotion for The Last Story initially still talked about Narutaki having a great combat power... but I guess they couldn't finish whatever monster suit he was supposed to get on time and just dropped that idea.
Only if you have no attention spam. Rewatch the first episodes. Most of the stuff hinted at there WAS fulfilled later on. Decade had a very clear direction aside from the All Riders vs Decade / The Last Story mess up. It just was a direction that didn't please most fans in the end. Although, considering the comments from producer Shirakura before and during the series, that's not really surprising.
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Vitor
When The Fruit Of Life Corrupts Men
He was supposed to be a prophet, warning the many worlds of Decade's presence (though I'm not actually sure what warning them would do since he would just destroy the world anyway).
Then somehow in MOVIE WARS 2010, he became the lead general for Great Shocker via a Gaia Memory, which mind you was possessed and Narutaki didn't insert it himself
IDK, the whole series is just all over the fucking place. I was able to forgive it up until the Movie Wars epilouge where Decade was still the bad guy.
I thought he had made his peace with his evil alter ego at the end of of ALL RIDERS, but apparently not :redface2:
KingRanger
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No. This is not correct. There was nothing fulfilled. DCD did not have a clear direction. You write a lot of long winded posts about how you know all about story and plot in Japanese kids shows, but if you think DCD had a clear direction other than simple fanservice, I think you need to do some adjusting to your thought process.
Amen.
NeonZ
Active Member
Hm... I think I'll need to make a different topic to list everything, although not today because it's getting a bit late here. However, there was a lot of stuff fulfilled, even minor side comments, with only a few minor things dropped/never referenced again (and those few things dropped never seem to be what the complaints are about anyway).
Although, about your comment specifically, since the very first episode, they've said that creation can only come through destruction. So, it was implied since the start that everything would return after whatever destruction was about to come.
big_j_ny
Just an Internet User Passing Thru
Thru your explanation, I do get a sense that maybe ALL the writers in the staff did have "a direction" on how to approach the series.
The thing is, it does appear the producers for Decade basically just gave a "vague direction" to each writer that wrote for this series......and the rest of the series was up to them.
Basically, the producers of Decade must have told each writer that "Decade is suppose to go the the Rider Worlds, restore his powers in the process of each visit, then fulfill his destiny of destroying the Riders and himself." In a sense, that would solidify your statement that the writers did have a direction to point to when writing the series.
This comment just reinforces the statement that I just wrote above. This plot direction was still VERY VAGUE and could have accomplished in multiple ways........but each writer had different ways of approaching it.
The problem is, EACH WRITER had a different way of following this "vague plot direction" that was most likely provided by the production staff........and every writer did it in their own separate way. There was still no collaboration or discussion with each other on how to make everything look consistent with one another BESIDES following that direction that was established by the producers.
With that being said, I will prolly say that the producers of Decade were probably the ones responsible for adding the "Dai-Shocker and Showa Riders elements" into Decade later on in the production of this series, which just made it worse for the writing crew that already didn't know how the **** to continue towards the ending point of the series WHILE ADDING the Showa Riders and Dai-Shocker into the mix.
So in essence, the producers do get additional blame as well b/c they kept adding **** along the way while the writers were still struggling to create an identity out of the series plotline itself.
But as a result, it didn't appear that way at all. It was still a clusterfuck of **** written by writers that didn't want to work with each other.......and the end result was many different identities of the tv show's plotline which created large inconsistencies.
This doesn't make me hate the Kamen Rider Decade series any less b/c I still love the concept of a Kamen Rider with the ability to transform into other Riders and I love the concept of establishing a multi-universe of the entire Kamen Rider franchise to provide a platform for multi-Rider crossovers.
However if you were to ask me if Decade was a good series in terms of story and plot, I'd tell you that you're better off watching Spongebob Squarepants instead
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Pixelphile
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I also would argue that DCD did have a direction that was adhered to, from first ep to Final Chapter (aside from the All Riders mix-up) and actually does maintain a semblance of consistency.
The problem was that due to the production snafus, DCD got to its destination while flying by the seat of its pants the entire time. This series was metaphorically piloted by Launchpad McQuack, and it's a miracle it ended up the way it did instead of not worse on a base story level (I still say on a fourth-wall level, it's high-concept genius).
I'll say more when I'm not so busy.
The problem was that due to the production snafus, DCD got to its destination while flying by the seat of its pants the entire time. This series was metaphorically piloted by Launchpad McQuack, and it's a miracle it ended up the way it did instead of not worse on a base story level (I still say on a fourth-wall level, it's high-concept genius).
I'll say more when I'm not so busy.
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