Fansubbing Groups, the HJU, and Fairness

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Fansubbing in the Tokusatsu world has been a pretty fierce "industry". Its dominated by the group TV-N with other smaller groups treading around the big fansubbing giant. Despite that, a change happened in which TV-N's PR had finally stepped down and with that lost many staffers putting a wrench in TV-N's success rate.

Because of this, many groups have appeared -- Yet, the support is not shown for them.

I noticed HJU only focuses on one fansub group. HJU only advertises their releases on its site disregarding other groups such as TV-N, etc. I know HJU had issues with TV-N in the beginning, but that should not stop from equal treatment.

I notice that many groups, from podcasting to raw releases, get special treatment. In ways, that's unfair. What makes one podcast different from the other? What makes one fansubbing group differen't from another?

I think, if the community is to come together like the French and Brazilian fandom -- We should drop the petty crap and represent and help all.


I don't work for TV-N nor do I post on their forums, but I do read them. So before anyone points fingers, this is not a biased post.

What is your main point really? cuz i saw alot people said thanks n nice thing whenever a release is made from EJF.

And i'm very thankful and appreciate that people sub and encode those HQ vids in their time. I don't care how big or small group but I support them cuz I know how hard to sub a video.
 
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What is your main point really? cuz i saw alot people said thanks n nice thing whenever a release is made from EJF.

And i'm very thankful and appreciate that people sub and encode those HQ vids in their time. I don't care how big or small group but I support them cuz I know how hard to sub a video.

Yeah I have come too appreciate Momotaros too, I mean he's the RAW provider for Dairanger
 
I think you guys are missing the point. Noone said that Momotaros is not to appreciated, this was a really simple plea to have HJU try and advertise more of the fansubbers to the passerbyers. Most of you guys live on this forum so you know all of the fansubbers anyway, but a good chunk of viewers of toku, don't register, and those people never take a look beyond the basic "LOOK! I'm STICKIED!" So they never get to see alot of the other available stuff.

I come and go now, a bystander, I used to be somewhat involved in the news and the what-if's department of HJU, but I got real busy and havn't even had time to finish Kabuto or 555, which really upsets me, but!

I return to the original message. I enjoy TV Nihon's releases. I never really hated King Ranger because he just reminded me of an old forum administrator who had the same basic attitude and fanbase of lovers and haters.

I also really appreciate alot of the other subbers that do also indie toku, the less popular toku, and the older toku.

It wouldn't hurt though, to have a whole new page dedicated to the subbers and providers as a whole, not a forum section, but a new page that describes and provides links to where the subbers are.

For example:

TV-Nihon - www.tvnihon.com - "Few project titles go here"

Etc Etc Etc

All so that anyone just coming by can go directly there and find what they want, where to get it, and where else it's available.

There's also no reason for raw providers to not be included on the list either.




That's my two cents, now I might jump back out.
 
I don't agree with that statement either.
I think that HJU is very openand friendly to new fansub-groups compaired to other boards.
Of course It would be cool to have a sticky-post but its not really needed. We are happy enough to be able to post our Toku-releases here.

I also don't understand what you mean by "I think, if the community is to come together like the French and Brazilian fandom -- We should drop the petty crap and represent and help all.".
I admit that there are french groups that are really working hard on their fansubs. But they are certainly not 'together'. And I do enjoy watching some of them. (since I'm half French).
The Brazillians only come together to steal scripts in my point of view. Many of our series' scripts have been stolen by Brazillian fansub groups untill now.

In other words. Keep up the good work HJU!
 
I think you guys are missing the point. Noone said that Momotaros is not to appreciated, this was a really simple plea to have HJU try and advertise more of the fansubbers to the passerbyers. Most of you guys live on this forum so you know all of the fansubbers anyway, but a good chunk of viewers of toku, don't register, and those people never take a look beyond the basic "LOOK! I'm STICKIED!" So they never get to see alot of the other available stuff.

I come and go now, a bystander, I used to be somewhat involved in the news and the what-if's department of HJU, but I got real busy and havn't even had time to finish Kabuto or 555, which really upsets me, but!

I return to the original message. I enjoy TV Nihon's releases. I never really hated King Ranger because he just reminded me of an old forum administrator who had the same basic attitude and fanbase of lovers and haters.

I also really appreciate alot of the other subbers that do also indie toku, the less popular toku, and the older toku.

It wouldn't hurt though, to have a whole new page dedicated to the subbers and providers as a whole, not a forum section, but a new page that describes and provides links to where the subbers are.

For example:

TV-Nihon - www.tvnihon.com - "Few project titles go here"

Etc Etc Etc

All so that anyone just coming by can go directly there and find what they want, where to get it, and where else it's available.

There's also no reason for raw providers to not be included on the list either.




That's my two cents, now I might jump back out.

Wow, in the chaos of people taking this thread as an attack one person with enough common sense actually understood the purpose of this thread.

Thanks :thumbs:
 
Man, are people still talking about this? *sigh* :nono:

I don't intend to add fuel to the threads fire at all, but I find it amusing that only a few people really know what this thread is about :)
Wow, in the chaos of people taking this thread as an attack one person with enough common sense actually understood the purpose of this thread.

Thanks :thumbs:
Firstly, no offense Merky, but if you think that everyone here misinterpreted the original purpose of this thread, it's because that's the bad impression that was left by the first post left in this thread when it was started. When you write down comments like "I noticed HJU focuses on only one fansub group", "disregarding other groups" and "get special treatment" how do you expect people to react? When you make statements like that and phrase them in a negative manner the way that those comments were (even if you hadn't intended to do it that way), people are going to respond in a negative manner. You were basically accusing HJU of having "favourites" when that is not the case, and never was the case.

Secondly, you quoted a post by Xarin, and after reading the two of them, the two of you basically are saying the same thing. However, there's a big difference in the WAY that Xarin said it VS the way that you said it. Xarin's post is less confrontational in the way that it's phrased. He makes it clear that he LIKES everything, and no where in his post does he make it sound like he's "disapproving" or "looking down" of how HJU has done handled things. He doesn't say that things "should" be done a certain way, he "suggests". Had the first post been written more along the lines of what Xarin had said, a lot of the drama that this thread has caused could have likely been avoided. The content of the two posts were very similar; the difference, however, is in the packaging. It doesn't matter what the facts are, it's the packaging that will determine how people react and respond.


Now with that being said, whether a group gets a Sticky thread or not depends on the amount of attention they get from the fandom. The amount of attention a fansub group gets is dependant on the amount of work they do and the number of and frequency of their releases. The more work that they do, and the more frequently that they release it, then the more attention that they're going to get and the more likely they'll get a Sticky thread. If your fansub group only plans to do one episode in a series, but does not intend to do the rest, then sorry but no, that doesn't warrant getting a Sticky. If you plan to do the full series (or two), and/or a few movies/projects, then you're more likely to get it. Show that you're going to be putting forth the work, and you'll get your props for it. This is how things work in the world today, and it is definitely fair.


We don't give out Sticky threads to every single fansub group that turns up because we don't know how long they'll be around and we don't know IF they're going to continue subbing stuff. A lot of fansub groups only release the odd project or two every six months, or just do one-off projects for fun and then are never heard from again. Sometimes fansub groups don't really care if they get a Sticky or if the project they did is "in demand" or not. If they request a Sticky thread it means that they intend to be around and that they intend to continue working on projects for release. If they did a one-off and ask for a Sticky, it means that they think that project is big enough that they think a lot of people will continue to want to get it. Either way all they have to do is ASK FOR ONE.

BOTTOM LINE. Threads that get Stickied are the ones that get LOTS of traffic/attention/action. IF there is a fansub group out there that thinks it is being under-represented here at HJU, all they have to do is get one of their representatives to PM one of us staff members here and ask for their thread to get Stickied. That's what happened when the boys at EJF. One of them contacted me and asked me to make their thread for Lion Maru G a Sticky. Since they're intending to do the whole series, I Stickied it. We (the staff) don't sit down and debate "who should/should not get a Sticky" nor do we go around looking for threads to Sticky. That's not our job.

If ANYONE here thinks that a fansub group is not getting the attention they deserve, the solution is simple. PM them and suggest that they contact one of the staff and ask for their thread to be Stickied.
 
Meh, those who take it as an attack then obviously don't know how grow up and not take the internets seriously. Those who think I have some vendetta against some group (which I don't) is pretty petty. Picking what you like from my opening statement and running with it is not how you debate D:

My main focus was not just the HJU forums, but HJU as a whole site and forums. Mostly the HJU website and how only two or three groups ever get mentioned at all.

I'm amazed that this thread has went on for four pages mostly people jumping to conclusions and stuff. Everyone is always on the defense -- its kinda sad :(
 
We should drop the petty crap and represent and help all.
That was addressed to HJU members and the community as a collective. Of course people are going to take offense and be defensive. Also, implying that out of all those that took their time to reply to your topic, only Xarin has common sense... That is pretty much asking for drama, since some people are probably going to take offense. I'm sure you knew that when you posted though.

As JFC pointed out, wording is important. If you don't want to rile people, just be careful with what you say.

As for the HJU web site, I've said it before, but I'll say it again. That's up to the webmaster. Everything that happens doesn't get news coverage, it is up to the discretion of those in charge. When wanting additional coverage to a news-type blog, I've thought it proper to address the person in charge, not the community. But you did address the community and members responded.

I think the responses did go on for this long, because, yes, maybe some felt offended by your comment, thus felt the need to defend HJU as a community. I wouldn't necessarily call defending a community you're a part of sad. Yes, this may be the internet, but everyone is still very much human, and with being human comes emotions like loyalty.

Getting off that... HJU doesn't have some tokusatsu news monopoly. I'm sure if you (or anyone really) wanted to make sort of an all encompassing source for any sort of tokusatsu media, you'd get a ton of support. :thumbs:
 
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