Fansubbing Groups, the HJU, and Fairness

[Mikazuki]

Yet, the support is not shown for them.

I don't think that is entirely true. Yes, TVN has a good deal more support from those who download from them but in all honesty, HJU is not to blame if there is a lack of support. As a staff member here at HJU, I'm not going to support one group over another as that is not my place.

I noticed HJU only focuses on one fansub group. HJU only advertises their releases on its site disregarding other groups such as TV-N, etc. I know HJU had issues with TV-N in the beginning, but that should not stop from equal treatment.

Again, not entirely true. I've seen ads for other groups including Tokuplex and that other one - Elite-Fansubs. It shouldn't be the place of HJU staff to "advertise" anything. It's up to those groups staff members and/or supporters to do the advertising. If someone wants something stickied then they need to contact a moderator of that area (if there is one or a general mod if there isn't) and ask for a sticky. When it comes to the music section, I don't like the Podcasts stickied at all but I've never gone over that with JFC before.

I notice that many groups, from podcasting to raw releases, get special treatment. In ways, that's unfair. What makes one podcast different from the other? What makes one fansubbing group differen't from another?

Again, I don't believe this to be true. If you're talking about stickies then maybe we should switch to something like D-Addicts and have ONE sticky with links to the various groups (or even podcasts) instead of allowing groups to do any further advertising. Of course this would make the forums relating to fansubs and the like to be pointless.

I think, if the community is to come together like the French and Brazilian fandom -- We should drop the petty crap and represent and help all.

I've never seen the French fandom "come together" and the only thing I see from the Brazilians are typically script thieves.

I don't work for TV-N nor do I post on their forums, but I do read them. So before anyone points fingers, this is not a biased post.

I know you don't but I did and I can honestly say that about four years ago when PGSM was airing, several of us who were with both TVN and releasing the raws took the time to make our rounds on various forums when we released something. Now a days, TVN doesn't need staff members to do the rounds because it gets supports from the people who enjoy their subs. I highly suggest that newer groups make their rounds and post when their stuff comes out, create topics discussing their work and get more involved rather then just release stuff and expect other people to run around announcing stuff for them.

I have to admit, TVN paid it's dues in the early days and did their own advertising and now they have supporters to do it for them. It shouldn't be up to us - meaning the HJU staff - to do that for the newer groups.

 

[Kagami Arata]

I will agree HJU had a Hand in EJF, hence then name change, he helped us procure alot of people to help with the site and what not, i dont how ever see him playing favortism for us, we only release once a week and even though we get over 500 hits a day on our site, we are still fairly new.

i honastly think you should have emailed him these questions instead of posting like this, i know it concerns you and im happy you love HJU as much as i do, but i think the staff needs to handle the situation (if there is one) amongst themselves, if im wrong im wrong, i jsut dont think we should be posting like this in a thread like this, it could hurt some peoples feelings and cause some fights and i dont think its what we need, i hope some will agree with me

 

[Supornova Fansubs]

I suppose HJU has helped EJF a lot, but what would be the point in giving TVN the same kind of help when they've been around for years? They have there own following and most in the fansubbing community will know TVN. EJF is building it's profile and HJU has given a lot of support too that. I'm only hoping that continues for groups in the future (including my own.)

 

[Keith Justice]

Fansubbing in the Tokusatsu world has been a pretty fierce "industry". Its dominated by the group TV-N with other smaller groups treading around the big fansubbing giant. Despite that, a change happened in which TV-N's PR had finally stepped down and with that lost many staffers putting a wrench in TV-N's success rate.

Because of this, many groups have appeared -- Yet, the support is not shown for them.

I noticed HJU only focuses on one fansub group. HJU only advertises their releases on its site disregarding other groups such as TV-N, etc. I know HJU had issues with TV-N in the beginning, but that should not stop from equal treatment.

I notice that many groups, from podcasting to raw releases, get special treatment. In ways, that's unfair. What makes one podcast different from the other? What makes one fansubbing group differen't from another?

I think, if the community is to come together like the French and Brazilian fandom -- We should drop the petty crap and represent and help all.


I don't work for TV-N nor do I post on their forums, but I do read them. So before anyone points fingers, this is not a biased post.

I haven't read the rest of this thread, but an easy explanation for this is that those I directly adverstise regularly for are directly associated with our site. I met Mike a while ago and we agreed to make him the official podcast of HJU. I was there at the beginning when EJF was being established and consider them part of the Justice Force.

If other folk want me to pimp their releases or whatever, all they need to do is PM me with a picture and a link and I'll see what I can do and if it fits into the schedule.

 

[Keith Justice]

In a way, it kind of makes sense that hju shows a favoritism to ejf, in that all/almost all members of ejf are regulars here. I think there are two, maybe three members of tvn who actually post here, myself included. But also i think volume has a lot to do with it, since tvn tends to release on a larger scale (when we're not bombarded by work/life/whatnot) it would be a lot more of a hassle to update the main page every time something is released.

I hate you so much for being cool... :bawling: But he's right. Most of all because TVN releases don't need our attention. If you need Toku, they're the first place everyone checks anyway. A pimp from HJU isn't going to make people go, "Wait.. TV Who?" But lesser knowns usually get a pimp from me. Especially if they have it up on Veoh which makes it easier for me to post and watch.

Yes, the groups have had their difference in the past. I'm really not interested in those differences, because they never concerned me. I don't think that us not shown the same treatment as other groups is a result of any of that, i think its simply a matter of us being primarily outside fo the hju community. Then again, we do get our own annual topics for talkback that are always stickied, so that's really more than enough for me.

:shakefist I will get you someday, unmei..... someday...

Again.... he's right... :redface2: I've never really had anything against TVN. Not really. It's always been a joking rivalry like I have with that fucker Jeff of Japan Hero. Now, there are some people that have done wrong by me and I'll speak out when they do. No need to name names anymore, but I have been displeased in the past, but I don't hold onto those as life long grudges. Just things I handle that moment.

But yeah, it's about community and whoever asks.

 

[Keith Justice]

Why even worry about it? It's a big tokufandom. Instead of fighting we should try and help each other. I once lost sight of that, and I became a total asshole that didn't care about anything but himself and being right all the time. I have since then realized all this should be about the fans. It doesn't matter if we are Sentai fans, KR fans, general toku fans, PR fans, or what ever. We should all try and get along as best we can and spread our love of these genre's.

I help do raws because it's something I think I can do to help people. I am helping a couple fansub groups because I want to see as many toku sub groups are there are anime fansub groups. That might be wishful thinking, but maybe we can all make that wish come true. I have not seen any favoritism here. In fact the mods are more than fair. When I came here asking to post and asked forgiveness they welcomed me. They could have turned their backs at me, and rightly so, but they welcomed me with forgiveness. That's about all I have to say about this. Just again lets all just try and enjoy the shows we love.

Well said, sir... well said. :thumbs:

 

[Keith Justice]

hi mods, i pray that you will resolve this before it gets bigger.

much better ne?

Nobody told me about this thread until last night. Gotta give me a heads up about these kinda things, guys!

 

[Keith Justice]

I agree completely with Inui and Unmei. I don't really see any of this so-called "petty crap." However, I do see some representation of groups I've never heard of elsewhere; ILA, to point one out. There are threads, are there not, of fansubbed series done by TV-N, ILA, and EJF? People discuss shows here at Henshin Justice, do they not, of shows done by various fansub groups? I might be slightly new here, but it's really the only place where representation and credit are given without the subbers promoting it themselves, per say.

I don't see where the HJU staff are being unfair. I know that Keith played a vital part in getting EJF onto its feet. At Henshin Empire, where Kagami, Inui, and I somewhat conceptualized Elite Fansubs, there was no one who had even the least bit of experience in the fansub world. Without Keith and HJU, I don't believe that the group would've ever amounted to anything. On that account, I personally think that it is fair for HJU to somewhat promote EJF, because of that very reason--because it had a part to play in it.

Also, as Inui said (again), there is so much stuff going on, what with the raw uploads and the toku talk. Much of which, I might add, was done by TV-N. Is there really a need for promotion? We know TV-N is there. As Ladymercury kindly stated, TV-N is the "giant."

Therefore, the only "petty crap" I see at HJU is in the first post of this thread.

All that was well said, except for that last sentence, which could've been left out.

Here we should be working to understand each other's gripes.... not see who has the bigger gripe against whom. :170:

 

[Sho-saka]

I'm not into doing some fansubs, but to make this summary short, I agree with unmei, Ladymercury and Keith said about this topic.

To me personally, I think HJU is just a place where different fansub groups can get together, advertise and discuss with each other, as well as getting some thanks from the forum members, including myself of course.

To be honest, I was amazed to see that Toku fansub groups aren't as different to anime fansubs. Except that I noticed that some of the anime fansub groups are a lot more aggressive than Toku fansub groups (post-Kingranger era) when it comes to which anime they're doing.

As for the J-Drama fansub groups...uh, I guess I haven't touched the D-Addicts site, now, have I?

 

[Tom Constantine]

I don't intend to add fuel to the threads fire at all, but I find it amusing that only a few people really know what this thread is about