Eye Opener - The Goseigers are Weak

[Sentaifan'07 Xman]

It was during and after I watched the Goseiger VS Shinkenger movie where I realized seeing them both together the Goseigers look like "rookies" compared to the Shinkengers. Which actually makes sense, because they aren't the Gosei Tenshi that were initially supposed to descend to earth, and the Shinkengers already had experience from the past year. I like this also because it separates them from other teams. Instead of growing in strength they still have a "weak" vibe even at the end of their season..

I can't say I mind, but damn they're weak. I guess this balances out, sense the Gokaigers are really strong.

Although, in my opinion, they had such a harder time doing so defeating the villains. Look at Mons Drake, for example. They never even defeated him on ground, & they had to wait until he had grown bigger to even defeat him; not to mention that they even had a hard time defeating him with Gosei Great on their own & had to rely on more mechas to defeat him along with destroying his spaceship.

And this wasn't the first time that happened, by the way...

You know something........you guys are right about that. But, if you were to compare the present Goseiger to their Goseiger sempais and the Shinkengers, they would be caught in the third row of the bottom end of the string of the most powerful Sentai teams.

 

[Lynxara]

Unfortunately, this seems to be the case in a lot of modern Toei shows, whether they explicitly call them "miracles" or not.

Yeah, I think a lot of the "Eiji is a lousy Rider" that comes up every so often in the OOO thread is the result of the same disconnect. Some viewers don't much care how a guy wins so long as he wins, while other people need a feeling that the victory is earned through some display of skill.

If you have a character that's winning with powers that either require no demonstrable skill or that the character blatantly doesn't understand, fans who dislike that character will rebel against the show's narrative and accuse the character of being weak or incompetent even when it is diagetically impossible for this to be true.

Yet a show can come right out and say that characters are weak (Gingaman) or incompetent (Carranger) and nobody holds that against them. If you're rebelling against Carranger's narrative you claim it's not funny and if you're rebelling against Gingaman you claim the plot is bad.

 

[musashi03]

I think instead it failed at making the audience want to root for them to get stronger and better. I mean I liked Goseiger and I can't think of when I had that reaction to the show

Yeah, I was actually rooting for Bureduran more. :sweat:

 

[Lynxara]

I never really wanted Bladerun to win, but I did find that character incredibly entertaining. I haven't enjoyed a Sentai villain so much in a long time. I sort of regarded the character as an apology for how lame Gingaman's villains are relative to everything else in the show.

(Relative to most things not in Gingaman, the Barban are pretty cool. I don't hate them or anything. I just never really felt like they were completely worthy foes for such a well-conceived team of heroes. They were a goofier-looking Zangyack, pretty much.)

If the Gingaman characters all fought Bladerun and the other top-tier Goseiger villains instead of the fairly unstylish villains they actually fought, you would have my personal Platonic ideal of Sentai. Especially if Nagaishi circa 1998 directs it, Shigenori Takadera produces, and Kobayashi circa 2000 writes it.

 

[KouAidou]

Yeah, I was actually rooting for Bureduran more. :sweat:

I never rooted for Bladerun against the Goseigers (I mean c'mon, that guy was a dick) but I definitely rooted for him against the other villain factions.

I mean, the scene where he shows up in his Cyborg form for the first time and the Goseigers are like "What!? No!" as if he were some ally of theirs who had been brainwashed instead of a guy they'd been fighting for 30 episodes. Even if he's trying to destroy the world in either form, that **** is just wrong.

It makes the moment where he fries Robogog's head so bizarrely triumphant. On one level you know that what's to come is still horrible, probably much worse than anything the Matrintis might have done? But at least all is right in the world again.

And then he murders Metal Alice and that basically cements the idea that the guy is irredeemable. I'm glad that the show never compromised on that, either.

 

[Jacky392000]

Buredoran/Burajira was a complete dick, alright. I just kept cheering for the Goseigers endlessly during the Burajira arc. :laugh:
but yeah, when it comes to him going against the other villains, I would be like "**** YEAH!!" though I agree about what he did to Metal Alice was just... Complete Monster much?

 

[musashi03]

Hahaha I enjoy seeing Bureduran in action, which is why I always cheer for him. :laugh:

 

[Beast King]

Buredoran\Burajira = Total Badass, And one of the best things to come out of Goseiger next to Alata and Moune.

:O_O: When did this happen before?

What the...I said nothing of the sort...I'm not comparing who's better..

I know you didn't say that, My statement was based on others remarks not yours.

What are you talking about? I'm so lost it's not even funny..

Others comments.

Because of the mo..oh ****...wait. You didn't read a damn thing I said! :laugh: No wonder.

C'mon man..that's not fair titles are just 2% of threads. :/

My post strictly came from others comments and not the primary post, i know what your getting at, And I was stating my opinion of the other comments and there insistence of using Shinkenger as an example of a "Good sentai" or "Ideal Sentai"

 

[lazycoconut]

I fucking hate the Goseigers.

It doesn't matter to me if they are strong or not; I don't feel anything redeeming in these characters. They all seem like vapid, empty shells of so-called "personality traits."

And this has what, exactly, to do with their fighting ability? Plus, if they're so "vapid" and "empty" how can you even find something to hate?

 

[KouAidou]

And this has what, exactly, to do with their fighting ability? Plus, if they're so "vapid" and "empty" how can you even find something to hate?

I thought you weren't gonna feed the trolls, hon.