2013 Rider: Kamen Rider Gaim - News/Rumors thread

[Wing Saber]

Sorry, I didn't mean to come off as arrogant.. it's just that we had finally gotten "Kamen Rider" to be a respected term again and not just something any ol'bozo could call themselves when they put on a suit.

I was just worried that Urobuchi was gonna throw that all away, (again).

Like Ryuki, Gaim has showed that not all Riders who gained their powers would automatically used them for good. Especially since they would be fighting over territory. However they would put aside their differences when necessary. But it would be only on rare occasions.

 

[Khaiden]

Besides, "Kamen Rider is deeply meaningful" always felt like Tsukada's thing to me. I wouldn't expect it to show up in projects where he wasn't involved.

It already showed in some projects way before he even became a producer.

 

[Eldar]

IMO it's due to his use of very Rideresque villains, I think he likely would have developed a stronger idea of what defines and makes a Kamen Rider.

 

[NeonZ]

It already showed in some projects way before he even became a producer.

In the Heisei era, Kamen Rider was used in some tv shows, like Ryuki and Blade, but they never really attempted to give any meaning to the term, it was just a description of the transforming people.

More recently, it is also used in anniversary crossover projects, and sometimes they even attempt to give meaning to it too, like in the recent Wizard finale, but that's strictly in crossover context, which is more likely to search for an unifying theme than individual series.

 

[Hentailover]

In the Heisei era, Kamen Rider was used in some tv shows, like Ryuki and Blade, but they never really attempted to give any meaning to the term, it was just a description of the transforming people.

More recently, it is also used in anniversary crossover projects, and sometimes they even attempt to give meaning to it too, like in the recent Wizard finale, but that's strictly in crossover context, which is more likely to search for an unifying theme than individual series.

Well, Double was very serious about Kamen Rider title. It had meaning in that show, both in the series context and to main characters personally. But yes, majority of Heisei did either avoid or trivialize the title.

 

[NeonZ]

W (and Fourze) were Tsukada series though, which is the point of that conversation. They only really tried to give weight to it in his shows (and some crossover material).

 

[Lynxara]

W (and Fourze) were Tsukada series though, which is the point of that conversation. They only really tried to give weight to it in his shows (and some crossover material).

Most Heisei Rider crossovers that really played it up as significant had Tsukada involved. The only big exception to that is the Decade stuff, where they talk about being a Kamen Rider as a necessary element of the story, but don't attempt to suggest any deep universal meaning to role. The emphasis in the early Decade stuff is on the individual goals of each Rider. Being a Rider is always important, but in a way that's unique to each Rider.

Now, the Sho Aikawa Wizard episodes are kind of an interesting digression from that, because they do include a speech about what being a Kamen Rider means... that flies in the face of the definition Tsukada's projects always offered! I can only guess that superhero-hating Aikawa found superhero-loving Tsukada's work distasteful, so Aikawa went out of his way to write his own definition of Kamen Rider that explicitly stripped away the superhero element. That stands in sharp relief to Tsukada's stuff, where even Eternal is ultimately acknowledged as a true hero (just a fallen one).

 

[NeonZ]

The only big exception to that is the Decade stuff, where they talk about being a Kamen Rider as a necessary element of the story, but don't attempt to suggest any deep universal meaning to role. The emphasis in the early Decade stuff is on the individual goals of each Rider. Being a Rider is always important, but in a way that's unique to each Rider.

All Riders vs Dai-Shocker also had a speech about what it meant to be Kamen Rider. That movie, alongside Wizard's last two episodes, were the non-Tsukada crossovers I was thinking about.

Now, the Sho Aikawa Wizard episodes are kind of an interesting digression from that, because they do include a speech about what being a Kamen Rider means... that flies in the face of the definition Tsukada's projects always offered!

Well, that's just another example of the general trend that even though Kamen Rider now has crossovers more often, there's no unifying vision at work.

 

[Ryuutaros]

Whenever Tsukada produces there is always unifiying and world building elements. For example Foundation X was built to be a organisation that could reappear in the many series after W since they are a enemy that buys, sells and fund weapons. All the series after W had collectibles perfect for Foundation X involvement. They also appeared IN SERIES in Fourze.

Shame the other shows without Tsukada didn't quite get the hint and then ignored Foundation X and also his world building themes.

The world building stuff is quite exciting as there is some sort of vision or goal in Toei's works other than money I guess.

 

[Khaiden]

In the Heisei era, Kamen Rider was used in some tv shows, like Ryuki and Blade, but they never really attempted to give any meaning to the term, it was just a description of the transforming people.

More recently, it is also used in anniversary crossover projects, and sometimes they even attempt to give meaning to it too, like in the recent Wizard finale, but that's strictly in crossover context, which is more likely to search for an unifying theme than individual series.

I was mostly referring to the Hirayama era, specifically how V3 would take it upon himself to name a couple of guys Kamen Rider based on their heroic actions.